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Vance and Maggi have been chatting in the Schoolhouse when Gloria arrives ...
gloria: @64,64 !It's gloria
Maggi: Hi Göloria
Vance: Hola Gloria! You made it!
Vance: Gloria just joined us from Paraguay
Maggi: Is this the Gloria in Brazil?
gloria: yes, Brazil is near Paraguay
Maggi: but not the same
gloria: of course not
Vance: I once visited a place in Brazil where you could visit Argentina and Paraguay in the same day.
Vance: You probably know the place.
gloria: Thanks Vance for the mail
Vance: You are welcome. Did you see your web page?
gloria: the place you just said is known like three borders
gloria: i havent read yet
Vance: That's it. You start in Brazil, go to Argentina in the afternoon, and Paraguay in the evening.
gloria: where are you from
Maggi: Sounds like fun.
Vance: Me? I'm from the USA.
Vance: But I live in Abu Dhabi.
gloria: and you Maggi?
Maggi: I live in Germany.
gloria: where is abu dhabi by the way
Maggi: But am also American
Vance: Abu Dhabi is in the United Arab Emirates, near Saudi Arabia.
Vance: Where do you live in Paraguay?
gloria: so you both are far away..
gloria: i met ying lang the other day
Vance: Good, did she say she would come tonight / today?
gloria: im not sure
gloria: she lead me to webheads
Vance: Did you meet her at the Palace?
gloria: yes right
Vance: How did you find the Palace?
gloria: i first found efi, i was looking for english courses on the net
Vance: Did you meet Ying Lan in her class? She has a class on the Palace doesn't she?
Ying-Lan: @64,64 !It's Ying-Lan
Maggi: Hi YSing...
Vance: Hi. We were just talking about you.
Maggi: singing Ying...:_)
Ying-Lan: ^Not a class only student's disscussing time
Maggi: Did you get my email Ying?
Ying-Lan: not yet
Vance: Is that where you met?
gloria: yes right
Vance: Do many students come to your discussion, Ying Lan?
Ying-Lan: ^I just open my computer now
Ying-Lan: ^To be honest, gloria is the first student I have met.
Vance: Well, you're doing an excellent job recruiting for webheads!
gloria: ^how can i see the record of our conversation later?
Ying-Lan: Thanks Maggi
Maggi: you're welcome.
Ying-Lan: ^If I want to the export to offer the air freight ,what is the sentence.
Ying-Lan: ^To use the log window, and open the word of office 97 at the same time.
Ying-Lan: ^copy the whole converstaion and save it by word,
Vance: I do that for every lesson. I keep the conversations at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/4631/efi/chatlogs.htm
Ying-Lan: ^Maggi, I just read your email, thans a lot.
Ying-Lan: thanks a lot
Maggi: I hope it helped.
Vance: What was your question earlier, YL? You are going to the export office to send some air freight?
Ying-Lan: ^But another question is how to express the suitation,,, I want the exporter to offer the air feight, the price term will be change to "Freight prepare" instead of "Freight Collect".
Vance: I'm not sure what "freight prepare" is ...
Ying-Lan: Sorry, vance
Ying-Lan: ^It is term of price.
Maggi: Let me help here.
Vance: Whew, now I can see again ...
Ying-Lan: ^Business English, especially for Letter of Credit.
Maggi: You want them to offer the option you mean Yinm
Maggi: Or are you asking for the option?
Ying-Lan: ^Option???? NO. They delay the shipment, they have to pay the addtional fee.
Ying-Lan: ^It's more expensive by air than by sea.
Ying-Lan: ^We always ship the goods by sea.
Maggi: You mean that it was their fault and the shipment was delayed and now you want them to send it by air and pay for it?
Ying-Lan: ^You got it.
Ying-Lan: ^Sorry, Vance. I have some troube in my work.
Ying-Lan: ^I want maggi's help.
Vance: I understand. What work do you do Gloria?
Maggi: Then say, since the shipment was delayed we insist on air freight with payment to be covered by your firm.
Ying-Lan: ^maggi, thanks
Vance: What items are you having shipped, Ying Lan?
gloria: i work in a telecommunications company as a technician
Ying-Lan: ^I have been looking for a good business book or "how to use Lettter of Credit" in English. Unfortunately, I have never found it.
Ying-Lan: ^"How to deal with foreign coutry.." like that. Do you have any recommendation?
Maggi: I have a pile of books...
Ying-Lan: ^"Bank English on Letter of Credit"?
Maggi: No one books covers one subject in depth.
Ying-Lan: ^Have you read the book about Bank English on Letter of Credit in English?
Vance: Do you use English in your work, Gloria?
Ying-Lan: ^Vance, I have to read Letter of Credit every day.
Maggi: I can scan some pages on banking and Letter of Credit terms and email them to you.
gloria: yes, and i do my best with it
Ying-Lan: ^Thanks maggi.
Ying-Lan: ^Sometimes, I have to communciate with another bank like citibank , chase bank ..... in English.
Maggi: no problem...I have to find the book first.
Maggi: I had a bank Manager once for 2 yrs...learned a lot about banking.
Ying-Lan: ^I could not express myself in some special situtation,.
Vance: I used to have a set of business letters on disk which served as templates
Maggi: they may be out of date now Vance.
Ying-Lan: ^"Bank English" of Business????
Ying-Lan: ^Sometimes, I have to follow something,,, like they make payment late.
Vance: maybe there's something on the Internet for business English
Vance: I have a business English section on my web site
Vance: Right now I'm looking at a web site for the Fondation Yaguarundi. Does that mean anything to you, Gloria?
Ying-Lan: ^We do not receive the proceeds, but another bank said they already made the payment...
Maggi: there's a pile of places...
gloria: yes sure
Ying-Lan: Thanks vance.
Maggi: not proceed but payment or debit
gloria: you know in my country we have two languages
Ying-Lan: payment or debit.
Vance: Spanich and Yaguarundi?
Vance: I mean Spanish?
Maggi: proceedws are the profits from a concert for example that will go somewhere
gloria: your kidding, spanish and guarani :)
Ying-Lan: ^Maggi, Amount of the invoice.. or the proceeds of the T/T.
Maggi: amount of the invoice
gloria: yaguarundi is a guarani name
Ying-Lan: ^So,,, the proceeds of the invoice ..... is wrong.
Vance: So Guarani is the language of the local people?
gloria: the native one
Ying-Lan: ^I was always wrong.
Maggi: but it is still understandable.
Vance: And are they in danger from destruction of the jungle?
Ying-Lan: ^I used to write "the proceeds of the above metioned has been credit your account with citibank n.a...." like that.
gloria: most people in here speaks both guarani and spanish
Maggi: The above mentioned amount has been credited to your account with....
Ying-Lan: hi Michaelc
Michael C: @64,64 !It's Michael C
Maggi: Hi Michael!
gloria: indian people (natives) is a minoritary group but yes they are in danger
Ying-Lan: in danger?
Michael C: Hi everyone.
gloria: because of the destruction of the jungle
Ying-Lan: ^It is a kind of way to welcome gloria?
gloria: hi michael
Maggi: <michael always loves a soft landing ...LOL
Vance: Hi Michael C
Maggi: I would have tickled him.
Ying-Lan: ^Vance, you are a big mouth or a red fog?
Vance: Gloria is from Paraguay. I was just looking it up on the Internet, and I found that there are indian people there endagered by deforestation
Michael C: Hello Gloria. Nice to meet you.
Michael C: Welcome back Vance.
gloria: nice to meet you too
Vance: I was wondering if there are many of these people there, and what the people of Paraguay think about their plight.
Vance: How many Spanish speakers are there in Paraguay and how many Guarani speakers?
gloria: almost the same quantity since we speaks both languages
Vance: I mean, how many native speakerr of Guarani, and how many native speakers of Spanish?
Vance: Or do most people there speak the two languages?
Ying-Lan: ^gloria, you could speak three languages,
gloria: you got it
Vance: So are the people of Paraguay mostly of Guarani origin?
gloria: if you can understand this then i can speak three languages
Ying-Lan: You are kidding.
Ying-Lan: ^You speak like a native speaker.
Vance: Yes, I think you can. YL, have a look at Gloria's web page. She has taught herself English.
Vance: Gloria, have you seen Ying Lan's web page?
gloria: long time ago europeans and indians where mixed and then born paraguayan culture
Ying-Lan: ^What does "she has taught herself English"/
Ying-Lan: ^What does "she has taught herself English" mean ?
Vance: The same way you have taught yourself, actually.
Ying-Lan: ^I could not teach myself....
Vance: I guess that means by being interested in the language and reading a lot in it.
Vance: But you are teaching yourself now.
Ying-Lan: ^To learn English by tape...
Vance: When you write your web page, you are actually teaching yourself. Teachers don't really teach. We just help you to learn, or teach yourself.
Ying-Lan: ^Tape taught me how to speak ...
Vance: That was a good question, by the way.
Ying-Lan: ^Teach.... by themself not by another guy?
Vance: If you learn another language, isn't it because you figured it out and worked with it?
Maggi: sorry...had to make pit stop
Vance: If you are good at English, it's because you made the effort.
gloria: when you really want to do something you make it possible
Vance: Have you met Michael C? He's another teacher from Australia.
Ying-Lan: made the effort?
Vance: YL, your web page has very good writing on it. You put a lot of effort into your writing.
gloria: years ago i really wanted to drive a car then i began figuring it out how could i then i began driving without going to a driving school
Ying-Lan: gloria, have you got the licence?
Maggi: learning by doing gloria
gloria: of course, i passed the test
Ying-Lan: ^I have to learning by teaching myself... that's a short way to study English... is it right?
Maggi: anytime you use the language Ying you are learning.
gloria: im not sure if it is the shortest way
Ying-Lan: I am learning...
Vance: Yes. And you do that. You have writing about how your language has improved since you first started these classes.
Vance: ... you have written ... I mean
Maggi: but one of the best gloria because you learn to use it in context
gloria: i think that is true
Ying-Lan: ^but maggi,,, I did not know I wrote the wrong sentences...
Maggi: it works best in my real classes too.
Ying-Lan: ^Nobody told me... I am always in wrong way.
Maggi: now you do Ying
Maggi: not always!
Vance: I don't think mistakes in sentences are so important.
Ying-Lan: ^The weakness of Learning language by myself.
Maggi: it was not a mistake that could be misunderstood.
Maggi: stop trying to be a erfectionist!
Vance: You see, the more you talk with native speakers, the more you learn to see your own mistakes.
Maggi: this is true
Ying-Lan: ^Vance, when you deal with the several hundreds thousand dollar, the wrong sentence will cause some mistakes.
Maggi: and a big step forward
Vance: So you correct your own mistakes when you are ready to see them.
Vance: Ah, when you put it that way ...
Maggi: don't you have a translator in the bank?
Ying-Lan: ^A big trouble will caused by bad ...
Vance: You are right there. In that case, you need to email one of us and say,"what do I say here"
Ying-Lan: No.. maggi.
Maggi: she did...
Michael C: And then we would ask for some commission!
Ying-Lan: ^In Bank system, we have some regular form to process..
Maggi: if the bank doesn't want to lose money they should have someone who can double check important documents.
Maggi: those forms should be approved and checked by a professional.
Ying-Lan: ^But our customer thinks we are the best... they always ask me some question
Vance: I have some business sites on my web site. Have a look at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/4631/business.htm
Maggi: if they need something and you are not sure, double check with me first
Maggi: tell them you will get back to them asap
Ying-Lan: ^Thansk. maggi.
Ying-Lan: Thanks, vance.
Ying-Lan: I will check this web site later.
Vance: I'll look on the Internet for a collection of business letters ... brb
Maggi: How's the weather down under Michael on this first day of Autumn for you?
Michael C: Well for the fisrt time in months I'm wearing socks and a jumper!
Maggi: all right!!!!!!!!!
Ying-Lan: ^Or dancing?
Maggi: I only have a jogging suit on...
Michael C: And I've seen rain again. It's so nice when it returns.
Michael C: Jumper=sweater.
Maggi: yes, well, it can get old fawst...:-)
Ying-Lan: ^It is getting cold in Australia?
Michael C: Yes Ying.Finally.
Michael C: It's been a long hot summer.
Ying-Lan: ^The leaves on tree are getting red>
Maggi: Flowers are actually blooming here!
Michael C: Yes, and some leaves have started to fall.
Maggi: I love Spring when everything comes alive again...:-)
Ying-Lan: ^Me, too.
Maggi: and that fresh green colour
Ying-Lan: ^But it is easy to catch a cold in Spring.
Michael C: Gardens in southern Australia come alive in the autumn. A lot of thinfs go green again.
Maggi: I am ok
Maggi: same thing in California
Michael C: That would be right - same latitude.
mackie: @64,64 !It's mackie
Ying-Lan: ^What did you mean? michaelc... some is getting green in Fall.
Maggi: Hi Mackie
mackie: hi everyone.
Ying-Lan: Are you a student at EFI?
Michael C: Because our winters are so hot a lot of plants dry out and go yellow. When the rain comes in autumn they get greener.
Michael C: EFI = English for the Internet
Michael C: Guess she wasn't!
Ying-Lan: ^She is a visitor.
Ying-Lan: ^I forget to ask Vance.... what's new in New York?
Michael C: Vance is still away looking....
Ying-Lan: I think so.
Vance: No, I'm back. I missed Mackie.
Ying-Lan: ^Is it alway rainny in Australia?
Michael C: You know Mackie?
Vance: You can look up "business letters" in Alta Vista. There's stuff there.
Michael C: It rarely rains in Australia Ying.
Ying-Lan: ^I thought it is dry
Vance: No, I don't know Mackie. Just noticed the presence.
Michael C: I think Mackie stumbled into the wrong night club!
Vance: New York was cold, YL. It was snowing some. I caught a cold.
Ying-Lan: ^ohhhh bad
Ying-Lan: ^To take care
Maggi: unusually cold for New York this year.
Vance: But I met my 20-year son there.
Maggi: I want to go see the new Star Wars film...:-)
Ying-Lan: ^He flew the whole america to see you!
Vance: He flew across America, from California.
Ying-Lan: ^It would be great!
Maggi: I downloaded the seconed trailer released last week...
Ying-Lan: ^You must have had a good time with him.
Ying-Lan: What's it? maggi
Maggi: It is the second 3 films from the first trilogy.
Vance: Are these the quick time trailers you're looking at?
Maggi: The first one of three.
Maggi: Yes! And wow!
Ying-Lan: ^Computer program or trailor in the real word?
Vance: OK, I've got to look ...
Maggi: They also showed them on TV here.
Vance: A trailer is a movie preview
Ying-Lan: oh yea!
Maggi: The Australian site is the best.
Michael C: I'm going to leave early tonight folks. I've been working hard all day. So I bid you all good night/good day!
Maggi: Are you a Star Wars fan Vance...?
Vance: OK MC, nice to see you for a while.
Maggi: Sleep tight Michael!
Ying-Lan: good night
Michael C: See you all next week,
Ying-Lan: see you
Vance: I'm installing quick time. I'd downloaded it earlier ...
Vance: My kids were all Star Wars fans. I was dragged along kicking and screaming
Maggi: I had to zip it and watch on my son's computer because he forgot to leave the download on mine.
Ying-Lan: ^You downloaded these movies.... by internet?
Vance: I realize I'm not going to have time for this. I'm going to have to run.
Maggi: Yes...but it is 25 MB
Ying-Lan: How to download it?
Maggi: I can give you the url...but it is busy ... and it is not the film only a couple of minutes of it.
Vance: You can get the 25 meg trailer from http://www.apple.com/
Maggi: I have another address...
Ying-Lan: Go to apple.com to download these movies... it will take a long time to download them>
Vance: There's a smaller version.
Maggi: it is not the movie Ying...just a preview of it.
Maggi: Vance you want to see this in all it's glory!
Ying-Lan: ^How much time does it take to download it?
Maggi: I did it late at night and have ISDN...about 25 minutes.
Ying-Lan: ^Did you try it without ISDN/
Maggi: integrated digital system...fiber optic cables...
gloria: ISDN=integrated service digital network
Ying-Lan: ^I connect the internet by phone line...
Ying-Lan: ^ISDN is too expensive for me.
Maggi: I have a card in my computer that goes direct into the phone line.
Maggi: I have three numbers.
Maggi: It means I can go online and still use my phone.
Ying-Lan: I got it.
Maggi: I do pay more...
Ying-Lan: It is more convenience.
Maggi: But the Telekom here laid all these cables
Maggi: it is very convenient...and the price is finally coming down.
gloria: with a line phone connection i would take more time to download i think
Ying-Lan: ^I think so.
Maggi: yes...the first notice I got said it would take 1 hour and 38 minutes.
Vance: I just now finished installing the quicktime plugin.
Maggi: then it went faster
Ying-Lan: ^my god.
Vance: And now I've really got to go.
Maggi: it is graphics...takes time
Maggi: Bye Vance!
Ying-Lan: Vance, bye
Ying-Lan: see you next week.
Maggi: And I need to go cook something
Vance: I'm just going to grab the buffer, and then I'll say bye too ...
Vance: cook something? Homepage?
Ying-Lan: Is it time to say bye?
gloria: ok im saying good bye too
Vance: Nice meeting you Gloria
Maggi: Felix is on ICQ
Felix: @64,64 !It's Felix
Ying-Lan: Have you had a good time being here?
Felix: Good Morning
Maggi: there he is...Hi Felix!
Felix: why my screen is black ?
Ying-Lan: ^gloria, have you had a good time?
Felix: HI Mad
Maggi: no Vance, real food...
Ying-Lan: ^What's your opion about our chatting class?
gloria: yes sure ill meet you next week i ll be working on my web page
Maggi: same thing happened to Vance and I Felix.
Vance: Felix, you're here just as I'm leaving.
Ying-Lan: ^let me know... by email later email@example.com
Vance: Good Gloria. You can send me a picture for it if you like.
Maggi: you have to download the gif file again it seems.
Ying-Lan: Felix... we just say bye to one another.
Maggi: It was nice to meet you Gloria...hope to see you again.
Felix: What a pity Vance!!!
gloria: ok, im a ICQ user too my number is 19145462, mail firstname.lastname@example.org
Vance: I've been here for the last 2 hours. And you've been asleep. How late were you up last night?
Felix: Hi Gloria
gloria: bye now
Felix: Who is Gloria ?
Ying-Lan: ^I have to take a shower
Vance: She's a new student.
Felix: Vance you are hmmmm a little caliente today uh ? What happened ?
Vance: She's from Paraguay
Felix: MAGGI AND VANCE I NEED YOUR HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
Ying-Lan: send you the whole conversation later by email
Vance: OK. What's up.
Vance: Are you off YL?
Felix: I plan to give a game to my intermediate students tomorrow
Ying-Lan: ^i wanna take shower and watching "Face off" on HBO.
Felix: the game consist in put a piece of paper in the forehead of each student
Vance: OK, YL. Thanks for coming by. Take care.
Felix: and he/she has to guess what he/she is by asking questions
Maggi: Bye Ying...:-)
Felix: Face off is a great movie
Ying-Lan: I am cuious the question of Felix
Felix: I want topics
Maggi: ok felix...I know this game, I have used something similar with beginners...
Vance: Unfortunately, I have to leave. I have somewhere I have to be and I'm still at work. Sorry I can't stay.
Maggi: I'll get it _Vance...have a nice day!
Felix: ok Vance
Maggi: bye guys!
Felix: Stay for a while maggi
Maggi: are you talking about them guessing their identity?
Ying-Lan: ^Felix, you write these words on paper
Felix: I know Ying
Ying-Lan: ^they are all topic.
Felix: But I want words to put on the paper
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