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Chat with Maggi, Gloria, Ying Lan, Michael C, Felix, and Vance

March 21, 1999

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Vance and Maggi have been chatting in the Schoolhouse when Gloria arrives ...

gloria: @64,64 !It's gloria

Maggi: Hi Göloria

Vance: Hola Gloria! You made it!

Maggi: Gloria

gloria: Hello!

Vance: Gloria just joined us from Paraguay

Maggi: Is this the Gloria in Brazil?

Maggi: Ok

Vance: Paraguay?

gloria: yes, Brazil is near Paraguay

Maggi: but not the same

gloria: of course not

Vance: I once visited a place in Brazil where you could visit Argentina and Paraguay in the same day.

Vance: You probably know the place.

gloria: Thanks Vance for the mail

Vance: You are welcome. Did you see your web page?

gloria: the place you just said is known like three borders

gloria: i havent read yet

Vance: That's it. You start in Brazil, go to Argentina in the afternoon, and Paraguay in the evening.

gloria: where are you from

Maggi: Sounds like fun.

Vance: Me? I'm from the USA.

Vance: But I live in Abu Dhabi.

gloria: and you Maggi?

Maggi: I live in Germany.

gloria: where is abu dhabi by the way

Maggi: But am also American

Vance: Abu Dhabi is in the United Arab Emirates, near Saudi Arabia.

Vance: Where do you live in Paraguay?

gloria: Asuncion

gloria: so you both are far away..

gloria: i met ying lang the other day

Vance: Good, did she say she would come tonight / today?

gloria: im not sure

gloria: she lead me to webheads

Vance: Did you meet her at the Palace?

gloria: yes right

Vance: How did you find the Palace?

gloria: i first found efi, i was looking for english courses on the net

Vance: Did you meet Ying Lan in her class? She has a class on the Palace doesn't she?

Ying-Lan: @64,64 !It's Ying-Lan

Ying-Lan: hi

Maggi: Hi YSing...

Vance: Hi. We were just talking about you.

Maggi: singing Ying...:_)

Ying-Lan: ^Not a class only student's disscussing time

Maggi: Did you get my email Ying?

Ying-Lan: not yet

Vance: Is that where you met?

gloria: yes right

Vance: Do many students come to your discussion, Ying Lan?

Ying-Lan: ^I just open my computer now

Ying-Lan: ^To be honest, gloria is the first student I have met.

Vance: Well, you're doing an excellent job recruiting for webheads!

gloria: ^how can i see the record of our conversation later?

Ying-Lan: Thanks Maggi

Maggi: you're welcome.

Ying-Lan: ^If I want to the export to offer the air freight ,what is the sentence.

Ying-Lan: ^To use the log window, and open the word of office 97 at the same time.

Ying-Lan: ^copy the whole converstaion and save it by word,

Vance: I do that for every lesson. I keep the conversations at

Ying-Lan: ^Maggi, I just read your email, thans a lot.

Ying-Lan: thanks a lot

gloria: thanks

Maggi: I hope it helped.

Vance: What was your question earlier, YL? You are going to the export office to send some air freight?

Ying-Lan: ^But another question is how to express the suitation,,, I want the exporter to offer the air feight, the price term will be change to "Freight prepare" instead of "Freight Collect".

Vance: I'm not sure what "freight prepare" is ...

Ying-Lan: Sorry, vance

Ying-Lan: ^It is term of price.

Maggi: Let me help here.

Vance: Whew, now I can see again ...

Ying-Lan: ^Business English, especially for Letter of Credit.

Maggi: You want them to offer the option you mean Yinm

Maggi: Or are you asking for the option?

Ying-Lan: ^Option???? NO. They delay the shipment, they have to pay the addtional fee.

Ying-Lan: ^It's more expensive by air than by sea.

Ying-Lan: ^We always ship the goods by sea.

Maggi: You mean that it was their fault and the shipment was delayed and now you want them to send it by air and pay for it?

Ying-Lan: ^You got it.

Ying-Lan: ^Sorry, Vance. I have some troube in my work.

Ying-Lan: ^I want maggi's help.

Vance: I understand. What work do you do Gloria?

Ying-Lan: thanks

Maggi: Then say, since the shipment was delayed we insist on air freight with payment to be covered by your firm.

Ying-Lan: ^maggi, thanks

Vance: What items are you having shipped, Ying Lan?

gloria: i work in a telecommunications company as a technician

Ying-Lan: ^I have been looking for a good business book or "how to use Lettter of Credit" in English. Unfortunately, I have never found it.

Ying-Lan: ^"How to deal with foreign coutry.." like that. Do you have any recommendation?

Maggi: I have a pile of books...

Ying-Lan: ^"Bank English on Letter of Credit"?

Maggi: No one books covers one subject in depth.

Ying-Lan: ^Have you read the book about Bank English on Letter of Credit in English?

Vance: Do you use English in your work, Gloria?

Ying-Lan: ^Vance, I have to read Letter of Credit every day.

Maggi: I can scan some pages on banking and Letter of Credit terms and email them to you.

gloria: yes, and i do my best with it

Ying-Lan: ^Thanks maggi.

Ying-Lan: ^Sometimes, I have to communciate with another bank like citibank , chase bank ..... in English.

Maggi: no problem...I have to find the book first.

Maggi: I had a bank Manager once for 2 yrs...learned a lot about banking.

Ying-Lan: ^I could not express myself in some special situtation,.

Vance: I used to have a set of business letters on disk which served as templates

Ying-Lan: templates?

Maggi: examples

Maggi: they may be out of date now Vance.

Ying-Lan: ^"Bank English" of Business????

Ying-Lan: ^Sometimes, I have to follow something,,, like they make payment late.

Vance: maybe there's something on the Internet for business English

Vance: I have a business English section on my web site

Vance: Right now I'm looking at a web site for the Fondation Yaguarundi. Does that mean anything to you, Gloria?

Ying-Lan: ^We do not receive the proceeds, but another bank said they already made the payment...

Maggi: there's a pile of places...

gloria: yes sure

Ying-Lan: Thanks vance.

Maggi: not proceed but payment or debit

gloria: you know in my country we have two languages

Ying-Lan: payment or debit.

Vance: Spanich and Yaguarundi?

Vance: I mean Spanish?

Maggi: proceedws are the profits from a concert for example that will go somewhere

gloria: your kidding, spanish and guarani :)

Ying-Lan: ^Maggi, Amount of the invoice.. or the proceeds of the T/T.

Maggi: amount of the invoice

gloria: yaguarundi is a guarani name

Ying-Lan: ^So,,, the proceeds of the invoice ..... is wrong.

Vance: So Guarani is the language of the local people?

Maggi: yes

gloria: the native one

Ying-Lan: ^I was always wrong.

Maggi: but it is still understandable.

Vance: And are they in danger from destruction of the jungle?

Ying-Lan: ^I used to write "the proceeds of the above metioned has been credit your account with citibank n.a...." like that.

gloria: most people in here speaks both guarani and spanish

Maggi: The above mentioned amount has been credited to your account with....

Ying-Lan: Thanks

Ying-Lan: hi Michaelc

Michael C: @64,64 !It's Michael C

Maggi: Hi Michael!

gloria: indian people (natives) is a minoritary group but yes they are in danger

Ying-Lan: in danger?

Michael C: Hi everyone.

gloria: because of the destruction of the jungle

Ying-Lan: ^It is a kind of way to welcome gloria?

gloria: hi michael

Maggi: <michael always loves a soft landing ...LOL

Vance: Hi Michael C

Ying-Lan: hi

Maggi: I would have tickled him.

Ying-Lan: ^Vance, you are a big mouth or a red fog?

Vance: Gloria is from Paraguay. I was just looking it up on the Internet, and I found that there are indian people there endagered by deforestation

Maggi: brb

Michael C: Hello Gloria. Nice to meet you.

Michael C: Welcome back Vance.

gloria: nice to meet you too

Ying-Lan: .

Vance: I was wondering if there are many of these people there, and what the people of Paraguay think about their plight.

Vance: How many Spanish speakers are there in Paraguay and how many Guarani speakers?

gloria: almost the same quantity since we speaks both languages

Vance: I mean, how many native speakerr of Guarani, and how many native speakers of Spanish?

Vance: Or do most people there speak the two languages?

Ying-Lan: ^gloria, you could speak three languages,

gloria: you got it

Vance: So are the people of Paraguay mostly of Guarani origin?

gloria: if you can understand this then i can speak three languages

Ying-Lan: You are kidding.

Ying-Lan: ^You speak like a native speaker.

Vance: Yes, I think you can. YL, have a look at Gloria's web page. She has taught herself English.

Vance: Gloria, have you seen Ying Lan's web page?

gloria: long time ago europeans and indians where mixed and then born paraguayan culture

Ying-Lan: ^What does "she has taught herself English"/

Ying-Lan: ^What does "she has taught herself English" mean ?

Vance: The same way you have taught yourself, actually.

Ying-Lan: ^I could not teach myself....

Vance: I guess that means by being interested in the language and reading a lot in it.

Vance: But you are teaching yourself now.

Ying-Lan: ^To learn English by tape...

Vance: When you write your web page, you are actually teaching yourself. Teachers don't really teach. We just help you to learn, or teach yourself.

Ying-Lan: ^Tape taught me how to speak ...

Vance: That was a good question, by the way.

Ying-Lan: ^Teach.... by themself not by another guy?

Vance: If you learn another language, isn't it because you figured it out and worked with it?

Ying-Lan: what?

Maggi: sorry...had to make pit stop

Vance: If you are good at English, it's because you made the effort.

gloria: when you really want to do something you make it possible

Vance: Have you met Michael C? He's another teacher from Australia.

Ying-Lan: made the effort?

Vance: YL, your web page has very good writing on it. You put a lot of effort into your writing.

gloria: years ago i really wanted to drive a car then i began figuring it out how could i then i began driving without going to a driving school

Ying-Lan: gloria, have you got the licence?

Maggi: learning by doing gloria

gloria: of course, i passed the test

Ying-Lan: ^I have to learning by teaching myself... that's a short way to study English... is it right?

Maggi: anytime you use the language Ying you are learning.

gloria: im not sure if it is the shortest way

Ying-Lan: I am learning...

Vance: Yes. And you do that. You have writing about how your language has improved since you first started these classes.

Vance: ... you have written ... I mean

Maggi: but one of the best gloria because you learn to use it in context

gloria: i think that is true

Ying-Lan: ^but maggi,,, I did not know I wrote the wrong sentences...

Maggi: it works best in my real classes too.

Ying-Lan: ^Nobody told me... I am always in wrong way.

Maggi: now you do Ying

Maggi: not always!

Vance: I don't think mistakes in sentences are so important.

Ying-Lan: ^The weakness of Learning language by myself.

Maggi: it was not a mistake that could be misunderstood.

Maggi: stop trying to be a erfectionist!

Maggi: perfectionist

Vance: You see, the more you talk with native speakers, the more you learn to see your own mistakes.

Maggi: this is true

Ying-Lan: ^Vance, when you deal with the several hundreds thousand dollar, the wrong sentence will cause some mistakes.

Maggi: and a big step forward

Vance: So you correct your own mistakes when you are ready to see them.

Vance: Ah, when you put it that way ...

Maggi: don't you have a translator in the bank?

Ying-Lan: ^A big trouble will caused by bad ...

Vance: You are right there. In that case, you need to email one of us and say,"what do I say here"

Ying-Lan: No.. maggi.

Maggi: she did...

Michael C: And then we would ask for some commission!

Ying-Lan: ^In Bank system, we have some regular form to process..

Maggi: if the bank doesn't want to lose money they should have someone who can double check important documents.

Maggi: those forms should be approved and checked by a professional.

Ying-Lan: ^But our customer thinks we are the best... they always ask me some question

Vance: I have some business sites on my web site. Have a look at

Maggi: if they need something and you are not sure, double check with me first

Maggi: tell them you will get back to them asap

Ying-Lan: ^Thansk. maggi.

Ying-Lan: Thanks, vance.

Ying-Lan: I will check this web site later.

Vance: I'll look on the Internet for a collection of business letters ... brb

Maggi: How's the weather down under Michael on this first day of Autumn for you?

Michael C: Well for the fisrt time in months I'm wearing socks and a jumper!

Maggi: all right!!!!!!!!!

Ying-Lan: ^Jump?

Ying-Lan: ^Or dancing?

Maggi: I only have a jogging suit on...

Michael C: And I've seen rain again. It's so nice when it returns.

Michael C: Jumper=sweater.

Ying-Lan: rain

Ying-Lan: sweater

Maggi: yes, well, it can get old fawst...:-)

Maggi: fast

Ying-Lan: ^It is getting cold in Australia?

Michael C: Yes Ying.Finally.

Michael C: It's been a long hot summer.

Ying-Lan: ^The leaves on tree are getting red>

Maggi: Flowers are actually blooming here!

Michael C: Yes, and some leaves have started to fall.

Maggi: I love Spring when everything comes alive again...:-)

Ying-Lan: ^Me, too.

Maggi: and that fresh green colour

Ying-Lan: ^But it is easy to catch a cold in Spring.

Michael C: Gardens in southern Australia come alive in the autumn. A lot of thinfs go green again.

Maggi: I am ok

Maggi: same thing in California

Michael C: That would be right - same latitude.

mackie: @64,64 !It's mackie

Ying-Lan: ^What did you mean? michaelc... some is getting green in Fall.

Maggi: Hi Mackie

Ying-Lan: mackie

mackie: hi everyone.

Ying-Lan: Are you a student at EFI?

Michael C: Because our winters are so hot a lot of plants dry out and go yellow. When the rain comes in autumn they get greener.

mackie: EFI?

Michael C: EFI = English for the Internet

Michael C: Guess she wasn't!

Ying-Lan: ^She is a visitor.

Ying-Lan: .

Ying-Lan: ^I forget to ask Vance.... what's new in New York?

Michael C: Vance is still away looking....

Ying-Lan: I think so.

Vance: No, I'm back. I missed Mackie.

Ying-Lan: ^Is it alway rainny in Australia?

Michael C: You know Mackie?

Vance: You can look up "business letters" in Alta Vista. There's stuff there.

Michael C: It rarely rains in Australia Ying.

Ying-Lan: ^I thought it is dry

Vance: No, I don't know Mackie. Just noticed the presence.

Michael C: I think Mackie stumbled into the wrong night club!

Vance: New York was cold, YL. It was snowing some. I caught a cold.

Ying-Lan: ^ohhhh bad

Ying-Lan: ^To take care

Maggi: unusually cold for New York this year.

Ying-Lan: ^cold....!

Vance: But I met my 20-year son there.

Ying-Lan: Oh!

Maggi: I want to go see the new Star Wars film...:-)

Ying-Lan: ^He flew the whole america to see you!

Vance: He flew across America, from California.

Ying-Lan: ^It would be great!

Maggi: I downloaded the seconed trailer released last week...

Ying-Lan: ^You must have had a good time with him.

Maggi: awesome!!!

Ying-Lan: What's it? maggi

Maggi: It is the second 3 films from the first trilogy.

Vance: Are these the quick time trailers you're looking at?

Maggi: The first one of three.

Maggi: Yes! And wow!

Ying-Lan: ^Computer program or trailor in the real word?

Vance: OK, I've got to look ...

Maggi: They also showed them on TV here.

Vance: A trailer is a movie preview

Ying-Lan: oh yea!

Maggi: The Australian site is the best.

Michael C: I'm going to leave early tonight folks. I've been working hard all day. So I bid you all good night/good day!

Maggi: Are you a Star Wars fan Vance...?

Vance: OK MC, nice to see you for a while.

Maggi: Sleep tight Michael!

Ying-Lan: good night

Michael C: See you all next week,

Ying-Lan: see you

Vance: I'm installing quick time. I'd downloaded it earlier ...

Vance: My kids were all Star Wars fans. I was dragged along kicking and screaming

Maggi: I had to zip it and watch on my son's computer because he forgot to leave the download on mine.

Ying-Lan: ^You downloaded these movies.... by internet?

Ying-Lan: how?

Vance: I realize I'm not going to have time for this. I'm going to have to run.

Maggi: Yes...but it is 25 MB

Ying-Lan: How to download it?


Maggi: I can give you the url...but it is busy ... and it is not the film only a couple of minutes of it.

Vance: You can get the 25 meg trailer from

Maggi: I have another address...

Ying-Lan: Go to to download these movies... it will take a long time to download them>

Vance: There's a smaller version.

Maggi: it is not the movie Ying...just a preview of it.

Maggi: Vance you want to see this in all it's glory!

Ying-Lan: ^How much time does it take to download it?

Maggi: I did it late at night and have ISDN...about 25 minutes.

Ying-Lan: ISDN?

Ying-Lan: ^Did you try it without ISDN/

Maggi: integrated digital system...fiber optic cables...

gloria: ISDN=integrated service digital network

Ying-Lan: ^I connect the internet by phone line...

Ying-Lan: ^ISDN is too expensive for me.

Maggi: I have a card in my computer that goes direct into the phone line.

Maggi: I have three numbers.

Maggi: It means I can go online and still use my phone.

Ying-Lan: I got it.

Maggi: I do pay more...

Ying-Lan: It is more convenience.

Maggi: But the Telekom here laid all these cables

Maggi: it is very convenient...and the price is finally coming down.

gloria: with a line phone connection i would take more time to download i think

Ying-Lan: ^I think so.

Maggi: yes...the first notice I got said it would take 1 hour and 38 minutes.

Vance: I just now finished installing the quicktime plugin.

Maggi: then it went faster

Ying-Lan: ^my god.

Vance: And now I've really got to go.

Maggi: it is graphics...takes time

Maggi: Bye Vance!

Ying-Lan: Vance, bye

gloria: bye

Ying-Lan: see you next week.

Maggi: And I need to go cook something

Vance: I'm just going to grab the buffer, and then I'll say bye too ...

Vance: cook something? Homepage?

Ying-Lan: Is it time to say bye?

Maggi: buffer?

gloria: ok im saying good bye too

Ying-Lan: wait

Ying-Lan: Gloria

Vance: Nice meeting you Gloria

Maggi: Felix is on ICQ

Felix: @64,64 !It's Felix

Ying-Lan: Have you had a good time being here?

Felix: Good Morning

Maggi: there he is...Hi Felix!

gloria: thanks

Felix: why my screen is black ?

Ying-Lan: ^gloria, have you had a good time?

Felix: HI Mad

Maggi: no Vance, real food...

Ying-Lan: ^What's your opion about our chatting class?

gloria: yes sure ill meet you next week i ll be working on my web page

Maggi: same thing happened to Vance and I Felix.

Vance: Felix, you're here just as I'm leaving.

gloria: great!

Ying-Lan: ^let me know... by email later

Vance: Good Gloria. You can send me a picture for it if you like.

Maggi: you have to download the gif file again it seems.

Ying-Lan: Felix... we just say bye to one another.

Maggi: It was nice to meet you Gloria...hope to see you again.

Felix: What a pity Vance!!!

gloria: ok, im a ICQ user too my number is 19145462, mail

Vance: I've been here for the last 2 hours. And you've been asleep. How late were you up last night?

Felix: Hi Gloria

gloria: bye now

Felix: Who is Gloria ?

Ying-Lan: ^I have to take a shower

Vance: She's a new student.

Ying-Lan: yes.

Felix: Vance you are hmmmm a little caliente today uh ? What happened ?

Vance: She's from Paraguay

Felix: oh


Ying-Lan: send you the whole conversation later by email

Vance: OK. What's up.

Vance: Are you off YL?

Felix: well,

Felix: I plan to give a game to my intermediate students tomorrow

Ying-Lan: ^i wanna take shower and watching "Face off" on HBO.

Felix: the game consist in put a piece of paper in the forehead of each student

Vance: OK, YL. Thanks for coming by. Take care.

Felix: and he/she has to guess what he/she is by asking questions

Maggi: Bye Ying...:-)

Felix: Face off is a great movie

Ying-Lan: I am cuious the question of Felix

Felix: So.

Felix: I want topics

Maggi: ok felix...I know this game, I have used something similar with beginners...

Vance: Unfortunately, I have to leave. I have somewhere I have to be and I'm still at work. Sorry I can't stay.

Maggi: topics?

Maggi: I'll get it _Vance...have a nice day!

Ying-Lan: bye

Felix: ok Vance

Maggi: bye guys!

Felix: Mad

Felix: ?????????????????//

Felix: Stay for a while maggi

Maggi: are you talking about them guessing their identity?

Ying-Lan: ^Felix, you write these words on paper

Felix: I know Ying

Ying-Lan: ^they are all topic.

Felix: But I want words to put on the paper

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