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Chat with Ying Lan, MAD Maggi, Michael C, Gloria, Alice, and Vance

May 2, 1999

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Vance: @64,64 !It's Vance

Ying-Lan: @64,64 !It's Ying-Lan

Maggi: Hi Ying...

Ying-Lan: hi

Vance: Hi YL. We were wondering what happened to you.

Ying-Lan: ^Vance , you are right.

Ying-Lan: ^I am sick.

Maggi: sick of what :-)

Ying-Lan: ^It is anemia.

Maggi: Each some iron pipes...

Vance: Ah, so you went to a doctor?

Maggi: eat

Ying-Lan: ^yes.

Vance: I mean a doctor who could diagnose the illness ..

Ying-Lan: ^you mean what?

Maggi: it only takes a simple blood test for that.

Ying-Lan: ^maggi, you are right.

Maggi: I was trying to be funny Ying...-

Vance: I mean, you said you'd been to a doctor, but they didn't help.

Ying-Lan: ^They did not know it before the test.

Maggi: But it would help to cook acid foods in an iron frying tomatoes

Ying-Lan: ^It is no so dangerious.

Ying-Lan: ^It is not so dangerious.

Maggi: if you take pills be sure to take vitamin C with them

Maggi: dangerous

Ying-Lan: ^dangerous.

Ying-Lan: ^Maggi, anthing else?

Maggi: my son had the same thing ...teenagers often do.

Ying-Lan: ^I am not teenage.. I wish I were.

Vance: I would NOT want to be a teenager again.

Maggi: Eat green leafy vegetable...

Ying-Lan: ^Vance, wouldn you mind checking your email box, I just sent my question to you.

Maggi: Me is not a good time...

Maggi: ask my son!

Vance: k

Maggi: and I agree with him...

Ying-Lan: ^Maggi, were you dizzle?

Maggi: dizzy...yes that can happen.

Ying-Lan: ^Maggi, were you dizzy?

Maggi: my son said it felt like his brain went to sleep.

Maggi: what kind of blood pressure do you have...?

Ying-Lan: ^But I could not go to sleep.

Ying-Lan: ^I forgot it.

Ying-Lan: ^I am mindless.

Maggi: maybe you couldn't sleep because you were scared.

Vance: Regarding: "the people concerned are left worse off, it makes the social problems worse."

Ying-Lan: Yes, it is. Vance.

Maggi: Not mindless...just not the best memory...:-)

Vance: Is it about the expression "worse off"?

Vance: For example, you were "worse off than before" after you got out of the Taiwan stock market.

Ying-Lan: ^Maggi, I thought I was too tired to get a sleep. But it is not true.

Maggi: I thought once I was going to float off into was a lack of calcium.

Ying-Lan: ^What is the worse off? It is going to be worse.

Vance: If you are "worse off" it means you are in worse condition than before.

Maggi: if you are worse off than before then things are not better.

Maggi: :-)

Maggi: You take it Vance...

Vance: So, if you put people in jail for committing crimes where they are the only victim, then they are in worse condition than before.

Vance: It's about people working illegally in a country. The ideal solution would be to address the reasons they feel they have to leave their country in the first place.

Vance: (don't get me started <:-)

* Vance * "Don't get me started" is a joke - it means don't make me start talking on this subject because I won't stop ...

Ying-Lan: ^So you mean they go to another country to earn more money. But they don't solve their problem. they just left the problem in their own country. It will be worse.

Maggi: You started so we should let you finish...:-)

Ying-Lan: ^Am I wrong?

Vance: Well, the businessmen hire them because they can get them for cheap. So they are exploited. And they don't pay taxes on the money they earn because it's underground.

Maggi: or under the table...

Vance: So to spend money to arrest and deport these people leaves everyone worse off.

gloria: @64,64 !It's gloria

Maggi: Hi gloria

Vance: Better to spend money helping them, and maybe even in the country where they are coming from.

gloria: Hello!

Vance: Hi Gloria. Did you ever get G2 to work?

Ying-Lan: ^Hi gloria.

Ying-Lan: ^I don't think the word "exploited" are used.

Maggi: This is true...then they wouln't need to leave in the first place Ying.

Vance: Gloria, I guess you can figure out what we are talking about.

Vance: What do you mean Ying?

Ying-Lan: ^If they are exploited, why they stay there and work.

Vance: Because they are worse off in their own country.

Maggi: they usually don't have much coice Ying...

Maggi: choice

Vance: But then, if they are arrested for working in the new country, they are even worse off than before.

Ying-Lan: ^again, they are worse in their own country,,, why do they return to their own country?

Maggi: Did you know that Michael Jorden earned more for his commercials for Nike than all the people making the Nike sneakers in Malaysia earned in a year?

Ying-Lan: ^again, they are worse off ,,, why do they return to their own country?

Maggi: They love their country...

Maggi: ...the people they love are there...

Vance: It must be stressful trying to stay illegally in a country. I guess it's hard to do that for a long time. After a while, I guess they can go back to their own country with enough money.

Maggi: and they have roots there.

Maggi: it isn't easy even staying legally in a country... I know.

Ying-Lan: ^I don't know.

Vance: There are people here from India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, who work here for very little money, but a LOT of money for them. They go home as soon as they can, and they're here legally.

Maggi: It is a way to improve there conditions at home.

Maggi: eee...their

Ying-Lan: ^But maggi, are there some problem about illegal labor in Geramny? I have read newspaper before.

Maggi: I make more money here than I would probably in the US.,..maybe in the eastern States Ying...but not now.

Maggi: in the construction business they had problems...

Ying-Lan: ^I have read these illeagl immigran do not wnat to go back their own country.. and their children stay in Germany...

Maggi: I would too, considering what some of them have to go back to.

Ying-Lan: ^I have read these illeagl immigrant do not want to go back their own country.. and their children stay in Germany...

Maggi: Not sure how they can leave the children here.

Ying-Lan: ^It is another social problem in Germany, isn't it?

Vance: Are there problems like this in Taiwan, Ying?

Maggi: At the moment Germany again is taking in more refugees from Kosovo than other European countries.

Maggi: It is not really a social problem yet.

Ying-Lan: ^In Taiwan, my Government have allowed the overseas lobor wored several years ago.

Maggi: A question of money yes.

Ying-Lan: ^In Taiwan, my Government has allowed the overseas lobor wored. .

Ying-Lan: ^In Taiwan, my Government has allowed the overseas lobor wored here. .

Vance: overseas laborers to work?

Vance: Well, hello Alice?

Alice: @64,64 !It's Alice

Maggi: today Mother's Day?

Maggi: Hi Alice!

Vance: Is it?

Maggi: I don't it?

Vance: through the looking glass

Ying-Lan: ^you know... these people come from Phiillipines, Thailand ......

Alice: @64,64 !It's Alice

Ying-Lan: ^They can make more money than they work in their own country.

Maggi: than IF they work...

Vance: Hi Alice, we're talking about people who work overseas

Ying-Lan: ^But we discuss that if these people do not want to go back their own country.....

Vance: Maggi and I both work in countries not our own. In my case, economic is part of it. Life is better, and I make more money.

Ying-Lan: ^One day, they will be old and they will have family...

Ying-Lan: ^But Vance, you will go back to USA...

Alice: Hi everyboby!

Vance: I CAN go back to the USA. But housing will take half my salary. There is no medical care unless I am working. Hi Alice.

Ying-Lan: ^You won't leave your child

Ying-Lan: ^You won't leave your child alone.

Vance: Of course not. But on the other hand, I don't have a choice either. I would not be allowed to stay here indefinitely.

Maggi: I am not in a hurry to go back to the US either.

Maggi: I can stay here indefinitely..-.

Alice: Where are you from?

Vance: A lot of people who work here have left their children in their home country. A lot of maids taking care of other people's children have children of their own they never see.

Maggi: Mother's Day is next Sunday

Vance: Hi again Alice. Abu Dhabi, Germany, and Taiwan.

Ying-Lan: ^In my opinion, You are different from these people who come from the poor country.

Ying-Lan: hi, Alic.

Vance: What about you? Where are you from?

Ying-Lan: ^Sorry. I glued to my question.

Ying-Lan: Alice, nice to see you.

Vance: Glued to your question?

Maggi: She wants an answer.#

Ying-Lan: ^ I mean I was thinking of the question and had no time to say hello to Alic.

Maggi: we say stuck on a thought...

Ying-Lan: What is it?

Alice: A lot of prople in Jamaica dream to leave to England. So, they let their children with their grandmothers.

Vance: Yeah, you were stuck on your question.

Vance: Are you from Jamaica?

Alice: No, I'm from Brazil.

Vance: Of course. You've been here before. My apologies.

Maggi: Not much better there I hear...

Ying-Lan: ^Alice, are you a friend of Felix?

Alice: No problem...

gloria: @64,64 !It's gloria

Alice: No, I'm not. Idon't know him.

Maggi: Hi Gloria

gloria: Hello again!

Ying-Lan: soery

Ying-Lan: sorry

Ying-Lan: hi, gloria

gloria: Hi Ying

Alice: Hi Gloria!

Vance: Hi again. Did you lose your connection?

gloria: yes I lost it

Alice: Vance, where are you from?

Vance: You know Alice, you can meet all these people at

Maggi: but now you have it again...nice to see you

Vance: You can see all our pictures there.

Vance: I'm from the USA, living in Abu Dhabi.

Alice: Thanks!

Alice: Cool.

Ying-Lan: ^There are a lot of Chinese stayed in USA, do they cause some problem in USA?

Alice: What do you do, there?

Maggi: not really Ying...Americans like Chinese food!

Ying-Lan: ^How about ... gang?

Vance: Not at all. The Americans might cause THEM problems, but the Chinese are good citizens, hard workers.

gloria: Abut G2, now I know that my sound card doesn´t work correctly. That was the problem!

Alice: I love chinese food!

Maggi: They mostly kill each other...

fourbu¤: ! He He He prener garde j'arive HiHiHiHi ...

Maggi: Oh je...ö

Vance: The Chinese people at my high school were good people, had nice homes, invited their friends over.

Vance: Gloria, did you get your sound card fixed?

Ying-Lan: ^I am proud of them.

Maggi: I learned Chinese in schools...gang are a rare exc3eöp

gloria: not yet

Maggi: exception

Ying-Lan: exception?

Vance: Well, lots of people form gangs. I don't think it's only Chinese.

Maggi: True Vance

Vance: Speaking of gangs, the gang's all here.

Ying-Lan: ^So....

Maggi: a bunch of bouncing smileys...

Alice: I've got to go! Bye, bye everybody!

Ying-Lan: ^bye

Maggi: already Alice...

Ying-Lan: ^hi, michaelc.

Michael C: Hello everyone.

gloria: Hello!

Maggi: How come the smileys have no names below them?

Ying-Lan: Where is he?

Maggi: here and then gone again...a fly-by-night LOL

gloria: Maggi, you look very relaxed today

Ying-Lan: ^"Let's no be greedy" is a good method to solve social problem.

Maggi: Say none of us have names on my screen.#

Maggi: I am Goria...the sun is shining...

Vance: I see names on my screen

Ying-Lan: Yeeeeah. gloria , are you a member of the Palace?

gloria: When you need some extra sun you can come visiting me

Maggi: I don't suddenly...wonder why...

Maggi: I go to the sun studio when it is grey here...but it might be better to visit you _Goria....

Vance: You can visit me for sun any time.

Vance: It's about 40 degrees out here.

Maggi: you have sun...and beer on the balcony...but really a sauna...

Vance: And this is still "cool" weather.

Ying-Lan: ^What is the" Say none of us have names on my screen.#


Ying-Lan: ^Vance , how can you stand the hot weather?

Vance: Right now the weather is pleasant on my balcony, but by June, we'll have to sit at the bar behind the glass widows and look out.

Vance: We have AC. It's hot where you are too, isn't in Ying/

gloria: We are in the fall now but the temperature is above 22 C degrees and it´s early in the morning

Vance: (I mean ?)

Maggi: @64,64 !It's Maggi

Ying-Lan: ^Yes. I will have AC in this summer.

Vance: That's the same as in Frankfurt according to Maggi.

Maggi: I hate getting those messages that I committed some illegal something or other...

Vance: What are you on about Maggi?

Ying-Lan: ^maggi, you commit what?

Maggi: and then have no choice but to close...

Ying-Lan: ^You mean your ISP?

Vance: Sounds like a computer problem. We'll see you when you get back.

Maggi: I just got that stupid message ...don't know what it is in _English,.

Maggi: I am back

Maggi: I can see you didn't miss me...

Ying-Lan: I miss you

Maggi: Thanks Ying! :-)

gloria: I´ll have to go now

Ying-Lan: ^Maggi, I love your sentence.... "They have good and a place to live, but life is more than that.."

gloria: Bye bye

Maggi: bye Gloria

Ying-Lan: ^Maggi, I love your sentence.... "They have food and a place to live, but life is more than that.."

Vance: Michael is on his way.

Maggi: what about Frankfurt according to me Vance?

Ying-Lan: really>?

Vance: Same temperature as Acension.

Maggi: huh?

Ying-Lan: what?

Vance: Gloria said it was 22 in Acension.

Maggi: oh...

Vance: ergo ...

Maggi: I am not in Frankfurt

Maggi: It is probably warmer...

Vance: Ah, tripped on an assumption. Where are you.

Maggi: maybe...maybe not

Maggi: I am south of Frankfurt

Maggi: The Bergstrasse is much warmer

Vance: You mean like near Frankfurt airport?

Maggi: about 15 minutes south of it.

Maggi: convenient location right off the autobahn.

Vance: Why is the temperature different there?

Maggi: something to do with the mountains and valleys...Spring comes 2-3 weeks early there.

Maggi: Now is the Asparagus season!

Maggi: They don't eat it green.

Ying-Lan: ^right off = at once?

Maggi: They build mounds over it so it stays white.

Vance: It sounds nicer than Frankfurt. I've never liked Frankfurt all that much, but I like rural Germany.

Maggi: I live more in the rural öpa

Vance: just off

Maggi: part

Vance: that is, the lives next to the autobahn,

Vance: right next to = immediately next to = right off

Ying-Lan: ^ Maggi: convenient location right off the autobah" What is the right off?

Vance: right = immediately

Vance: like right now

Maggi: very close to or next to as Vance said.

Vance: This is one of those words you could have a lot of fun concordancing.

Maggi: like right on...

Vance: Shall we do it now?

Maggi: :-)

Maggi: go for it!

Ying-Lan: direction

Maggi: I'm taking a short pit stop...the neighbors are watching a car race...I hear the squeals of tire taking tight turn.-..

Vance: If you want to join me (when you get back) it's

Maggi: Michael has a big problem...he has 700 emails ... the same ones...

Vance: He probably sent them all to himself; "all work and no play ..."

Ying-Lan: ^700 email?

Vance: OK guys, I don't have to do this all by myself do I? Are you at the URL?

Vance: The url, Michael, is


Ying-Lan: ^No, i am not.

Vance: Sorry, I get pedantic sometimes.

Vance: Would you like to try it?

Michael C: I'll be there soon.

Vance: This site is really cool if you ask me.

Maggi: Coming...:-)

Michael C: Hi folks.

Michael C: I'll try the site.

Vance: Hi Michael. Do you have the url?

Vance: Ying, are you giving this a go?

Ying-Lan: ^I am nere.

Maggi: I'm there...

Ying-Lan: not yet.

Ying-Lan: ^But someone whom I don't know talked to my by ICQ>

Vance: hmmm

Michael C: This is a great site.

Ying-Lan: ^I think it is a great site.

Vance: It is. We're going to look up the word "right"

Maggi: I like it...

Vance: First we have to pick a corpus.

Ying-Lan: ^o.k . right.

Vance: Any preferences?

Michael C: OK - which corpus?

Ying-Lan: ^Which corpus

Maggi: waiting

Ying-Lan: corpus

Vance: How about the Starr Report?

Maggi: pick one Vance

Michael C: OK

Maggi: ok

Vance: Now, Search string equal to "right"

Vance: and hit "search for concordances"

Michael C: 53 examples!

Vance: I see an "immediately" right almost right away.

Vance: So how many meanings for "right" do you see in there?

Maggi: I did something wrong...

Vance: Have you got it Ying?

Ying-Lan: I am here.

Vance: Do you see all the examples of right?

Ying-Lan: ^and I am taking a look at "righ?

Ying-Lan: ^yes, I do.

Maggi: i have equal to...right and normal...

Ying-Lan: but how to study them

Vance: Did you pick a corpus, Maggi? The Starr Report?

Michael C: That's a good question Ying!

Maggi: When I hit select concordances it says the first option was not valid.

Vance: Ying Lan, you can see how many meanings there are for the word "right"

Maggi: That's what I forgot...:-)

Ying-Lan: ^you mean it is a good method to learn the word by these sentence.

Vance: First option? I wonder what that is.

Ying-Lan: ^Is it a function grammar?

Michael C: Well Ying you can see all the ways that the word 'right' can be used.

Maggi: Easier than learning the rules Ying...

Michael C: The problem is too much information perhaps.

Vance: Well, your question was, what does "right off" mean? So the second sentence has the same meaning for right. Can you see any others?

Ying-Lan: second? wait

Vance: That's correct, MC. There's a lot of info. You don't want to read it all, just go for what you want to know.

Ying-Lan: ^In second sentence,,,, "right" is a direction.

Michael C: It would probably be a good idea for the teacher to select a few and give those to students to work with.

Vance: no, one right after the other means one immediately after the other.

Maggi: learning to use phrases in context is easier...

Vance: There are many ways to use these. I have some examples at (wait a minute)

Maggi: but it would help if we narrowed it down for them...right Michael.


Vance: That might be right Maggi, if you are there. But these students have questions they can answer for themselves.

Vance: This is a tool where Ying Lan can say, "What's the difference between home and at home," and get an answer.

Vance: That was another of Ying Lan's questions.

Maggi: But maybe they don't have the time, patience or money Vance.

Vance: Money is not an issue, this is free. Time and patience are necessary in order to learn a language.

Michael C: What do you mean Maggi?

Michael C: I agree with Vance!

Ying-Lan: ^How silly I am!

Vance: If you want to know the meaning of something in German, you could get the same information from a German corpus.

Maggi: Great page Vance...can I give it to my students at Merck to check out?

Vance: What do you mean, YL?

Ying-Lan: nothing

Maggi: It cost money to be online...for me anyway...

Ying-Lan: ^Do you remeber I ask you ... sometimes I don't understand stories writen in English.

Vance: You're not at all silly. You ask some great questions. They have inspired me to look for tools to help you answer them.

Vance: yes?

Ying-Lan: sorry, I was talking to my brother.

Maggi: My telephone bill is sometimes higher than my rent...and I don't surf.

Vance: I've just looked up "home" in the same corpus. You can see cases there where 'home' and 'at home' aren't interchangeable.

Vance: I mean, you can find cases where you can't replace 'home' with 'at home'

Vance: Wanna look?

Vance: Maggi, you must have incredibly cheap rent.

Ying-Lan: ^you mean they are all not interchangable.

Michael C: Just checked out the exercises you made Vance. Well done!

Ying-Lan: ^"I don't surf"? what is the surf?

Vance: Actually, to answer Maggi's question about going on line, you can get offline concordancers that would be better than the online one.

Ying-Lan: ^Where is the off line "con?

Vance: Surfing is riding waves in the ocean. The waves make surf which pounds on the beaches.

Maggi: utilities...

Michael C: That would be a good word to put into a concordancer.

Vance: You can find some concordancers you can download at that url I gave you.


Ying-Lan: @64,64 !It's Ying-Lan

Vance: Hey, YL just ate MC!!!

Ying-Lan: Mc?

Michael C: She ate herself!

Vance: Michael C

Ying-Lan: ^Where is the off line "cor"?

Vance: Do you mean an offline concordancer?

Ying-Lan: yes

Maggi: I'd like to know how you get one offline too...

Maggi: I am still battling with Telekom...

Vance: Sorry, computer's going nuts ... hold on

Maggi: I think it sucks...aah never mind...

Vance: This is from concordx.htm: Wordsmith can be fetched from

Michael C: What sucks?

Vance: MicroConcord is a DOS program and is available for free from:

Maggi: I subscribe to word-a-day from wordsmith...

Michael C: And....

Maggi: Telekom MC!

Michael C: Oh. OK.

Maggi: and what?

Vance: The concordancer I use is Microconcord from

Vance: Sorry, it's called MonoConc

Vance: It's not free, but very versatile.

Ying-Lan: not free?

Vance: Yeah, it costs around $75 I think.

Vance: I used to use Microconcord. It's a VERY good concordancer, very versatile, lots of sort options, but it runs in DOS.

Ying-Lan: ^It is usd69.. available.

Ying-Lan: ^it is could not be used under window 98.

Michael C: DOS can be tricky for we windows folks.

Vance: You don't think it can be used for Win98?

Maggi: no big deal...but tell me which have you used VAnce?

Vance: I don't think Microconcord would be tricky, since it doesn't use any multimedia. Shouldn't be a problem. I've used that one, Maggi. It was the first of the really good concordancers.

Vance: And now it's free. It's really amazing.

Maggi: There is MicroConcord...WebQuiz...WordSmith Tools...Dropper etc.#

Ying-Lan: ^But the 2000 year is coming... How about Y2K?

Vance: Where did you find these, Maggi?

Ying-Lan: ^Will it work in 2000?

Michael C: Folks - I'm going to go and try and solve my email problem.

Maggi: don't worry Ying...just keep your computer off at midnight.

Vance: I don't think it will be a y2k problem because it doesn't use dates for any calculations.

Maggi: Check McAgfee MC...

Vance: Michael, what did you do to get so much email?

Maggi: there are dates in most programs...

Maggi: hidden

Ying-Lan: ^Is it malisa?

Maggi: sounds like a virus...

Michael C: But Maggi - doesn't this mean that the person sending the mail has the virus - not me?

Maggi: they gave it to you if you opened it.

Vance: If you don't run any attachments or open any word documents, you're ok.

Vance: Good guess, YL.

Michael C: I never open anything - and i haven't.

Maggi: yes..they have it.

Maggi: ok

Ying-Lan: ^well

Ying-Lan: ^Good luck, Michaelc.

Maggi: then you probably don't have it yet...delete the stuff fast.

Michael C: Thanks Ying.

Vance: You can safely look at the mail, but don't launch any executables or word macros.

Michael C: I am doing that at the moment...deleting...

Maggi: keep delting

Vance: Have you set your word to warn you before it runs any Macros?

Maggi: what a pain

Ying-Lan: ^Do you know who sent these email to you?

Michael C: No but it usually does it anyway.

Maggi: sometimes even the person sending the virus doesn't know.

Michael C: Someone on a list Ying.

Ying-Lan: ^I have got the same email from unknow Isp...

Michael C: It's a "mail undeliverable" message 700 times!

Ying-Lan: ^But not too much...

Maggi: send a warning to all you lists...but that is probably moot now.

Ying-Lan: ^Michaelc... the same as mine.

Vance: In Word: Tools / Options / General / Macro virus protection ... make sure it's checked in

Ying-Lan: ^It will go on for several days.

Michael C: Ok Vance- thanks!

Maggi: of my son's friends has one of these mail bombs.

Michael C: I hope the list owner deals with it before several days!

Ying-Lan: ^They said you sent a email but it could be delivery.. so ISP told you the message.

Maggi: I told him that was no friend.

Maggi: or before they go belly up ...

Michael C: Ok - see ya!

Maggi: bye Michael..

Ying-Lan: ^They said you sent a email but it could not be delivery.. so ISP told you the message.

Vance: cheers

Ying-Lan: bye

Ying-Lan: ^It is time to say bye-bye now?

Vance: Could be. I might hang on at work for a short time, but not for long.

Maggi: Probably...I have to get something done today too!

Ying-Lan: ^My brother want to receive his email.

Ying-Lan: ^My brother wants to receive his email.

Vance: OK, I've been at work over ten hours now. I guess I could leave.

Maggi: Well then...adios?

Ying-Lan: sooo., Thanks for your instruction.

Maggi: You are becoming a slave Vance...

Vance: OK, see you YL. You are so welcome. Thanks for your inspiration.

Ying-Lan: slave???

Vance: In your dreams, Maggi.

Ying-Lan: ^He enjoys his work.

Vance: That's right YL.

* Maggi * Doesn't Bobbi ever complain about the hrs yoiu put it?

Ying-Lan: ^He enjoys working.

Ying-Lan: ^o.k. see you next week.

Vance: OK YL, bye for now.

Ying-Lan: ^If I have problem, I will let you know by email.

Maggi: I do I...

Ying-Lan: bye

Maggi: bye

Vance: ok

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