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Chat with students Ying-Lan from Taiwan, Felix from Brazil, and Zoli from Hungary, and teacher Michael C

September 19, 1999

22:10:53 - Opening Log

MichaelC: Hi people.

Ying-Lan: HI.

Ying-Lan: only three of all!

MichaelC: A quiet night. Maggie must be sick.

Ying-Lan: That's too bad.

MichaelC: ....she always comes and I guess V is still away?

Ying-Lan: Not really,,, Because I am late.

Ying-Lan: ^I forgot the time.

Felix: She must had puter problems

MichaelC: That may be the reason.

MichaelC: How are you 2?

Ying-Lan: ^I am fine...

Felix: fine and you?

Ying-Lan: ^I was watching the movie "Tomorrow never die"

MichaelC: I'm really tired. I stayed up very late and had too much to drink!

Ying-Lan: ^Exciting!

Felix: 007's movie Ying?

MichaelC: That's a James Bond film isn't it Ying?

Ying-Lan: Had too much drink.

Ying-Lan: ^Yes, it is.

MichaelC: Yep. Too mcuh to drink.

MichaelC: Got a but drunk.

Ying-Lan: ^Where have you been?

Felix: It's not a new one.. I've already watched it a long time ago

Ying-Lan: ^Hang out in a pub.

MichaelC: Nowhere! Just sitting and talking at home! (Much cheaper than the pub!)

Ying-Lan: ^It is old one... It was played on Star TV.

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Felix: What kind of licor did you have?

MichaelC: A pub is an Australian bar Ying.

Ying-Lan: ^With your beautiful wife?

MichaelC: Champagen.

MichaelC: spelling - champagne! Yes with my beatiful wife!

Felix: Sweet licors are dangerous.. They get to you quickly

Ying-Lan: Tha't good.

MichaelC: It was good. We had a very nice night.

Ying-Lan: Did you celebrate something?

MichaelC: Do you some times get drubk at home Felix?

Felix: yep... With liqueurs or a good margarita

MichaelC: NO Ying - no special celebration.

Ying-Lan: ^Just for fun?

MichaelC: Ah - margueritas! Wonderful drinks.

MichaelC: Yep. Just for fun!

Felix: I like margueritas.... Specially the salt on the rim..

MichaelC: Exactly Felix!

Ying-Lan: I don't like drinking wine or something like that...

Felix: I like wine.

MichaelC: Do you drink any alcohol Ying?

Ying-Lan: ^No, I don't.

MichaelC: I think 90% of Asian women never drink alcohol.

Ying-Lan: ^I feel uncomfortable when I drink it.

Felix: What a really like is a good whiskey.

Ying-Lan: ^My face is very easy to turn into red... and hot.

MichaelC: You have to get used to it!

Ying-Lan: I hate it.

MichaelC: I don't like whisky much. Sweet whisky (bourbon) is nice though.

MichaelC: Have you met Maggi's colleague yet Ying?

Ying-Lan: ^Not yet.

MichaelC: Is she still in Taiwan?

Felix: Has she contact you Ying?

Ying-Lan: ^Only read her email one time.

Felix: Has she contacted you ?

Ying-Lan: ^She must be busy,,,

MichaelC: Oh well. Maybe she's busy...

Ying-Lan: ^I think so...

Ying-Lan: ^Maybe she lives in another city in Taiwan...

MichaelC: And we have had no mail from Vance. He must be far away from computers.

Ying-Lan: ^I think so...

MichaelC: Any lick with your school Felix?

MichaelC: Any lick?

MichaelC: I mean LUCK!

Ying-Lan: ^Michaelc,,, I have read the story of East Timor in Reader's Digest...

Felix: lol

Ying-Lan: ^It is very complicated problem.

Felix: I am still thinking about it. I am remodeling my other house... And then I'll decided if I will open my school or rent the place.

Ying-Lan: ^Rent.. it is cheap one.

MichaelC: Australian soldiers go there tomorrow. Very complciated and a bit scary for us here in Australia.

Felix: Brazil sent some officers too

Ying-Lan: ^Do you think that you have to involve into it?

MichaelC: I didn't know you had 2 houses!!! A rich landlord!

MichaelC: Back to Timor.....

Ying-Lan: Felix,, really.

Felix: LOL No way Michael.. The house I live in I still pay the mortgage.. The other one is a 3 story building.. My father gave me a floor.

Ying-Lan: Back... you mean the East Timor was a part of Australia long time ago.

MichaelC: ...someone had to get involved Ying. Australia is the closest country....what do you think? (I see Felix!)

MichaelC: Indonesia is very angry with us.

Ying-Lan: I understood it... what do you think about it?

MichaelC: But I think they are trying to kill the East Timorese......and the East Timorese people voted for independence...and then....

MichaelC: ...the Indonesian army just helps them all get killed.

MichaelC: Do we stand by and watch more genocide?

Ying-Lan: ^I don't know how to say it.

Ying-Lan: ^FATE?

MichaelC: ...

MichaelC: What do you mean Ying?

Ying-Lan: ^Indonesia is a very wonderful country, but their people never enjoy their life like us.

MichaelC: us? who is us? You in Taiwan? Everyone who is not Indonesian?

Ying-Lan: Dirty Governemnt, angry people....

Ying-Lan: We are lucky ..

MichaelC: I went to Indonesia 25 years ago when i was vwery young. It was the first time in my life that i saw real poverty.....

Ying-Lan: I just think what's wrong with them.. I mean some countries like Indonesia.

MichaelC: ...I couldn't believe it and I have never forgotten it. I couldn't belive that so close to Australia was a completely different world.

MichaelC: I don't care about the government much. I would like to know what the Indonesian *people* think about this current problem.

Ying-Lan: ^But Indoneisa has a lot of resource.. water, mineral, plants growing fast...

MichaelC: Felix - any opinion on this"?

Ying-Lan: Felix , are you still here? or talking someone on ICQ?

Felix: I havent watched the news lately.. So I dont know anything about Timor.

MichaelC: Fair enough Felix. it's a sad story.

Ying-Lan: Actually,,, I did not understand what was Timor when I read your topic fisrt.

MichaelC: You have a differernt name for it?

Ying-Lan: Actually,,, I did not understand what Timor was when I read your topic first.

Ying-Lan: ^I remember it in Chinese.

MichaelC: I see.

Ying-Lan: ^Then I used the Yahoo Research to find the news.

MichaelC: You're a good student as ever Ying!

MichaelC: Back to your plans Felix.....

MichaelC: you think it might be better and chaeper to use the palace for your teaching?

Ying-Lan: ^I read some opions in news here. The editor compared The independent of East Timore with Taiwan ..

Felix: I got a proposition this week.. I am thinking about it.

MichaelC: A proposition ffrom the Palace?

Felix: nope.... a job here

Ying-Lan: So. Felix, Did you give up the plan of School?

MichaelC: I see. What's stopping you from taking the job?

Felix: The money.. We haven't talked about it yet.. :))

MichaelC: Very important!

Felix: A lot

Felix: ..

MichaelC: brb...gone to get coffee.....

Ying-Lan: Felix, you could speak good English, Do you think it will help you to get a good job in Brazil?

Felix: But I dont have any academy background Ying, that's the problem.

Ying-Lan: Like MBA?

Felix: yes

Ying-Lan: ^Academay... that's why people want to go to University in the world.

MichaelC: back....

Felix: yes, and I am thinking about going to one, the problem is that quite of far from here

Ying-Lan: ^We always said A good student may not do good work.

Felix: the problem is that it's quite far from here (the college)

Ying-Lan: Practice is different from the theory.

MichaelC: You could do it via distance education Felix...

Felix: Good student = bookworms - nerds. hehehe

Ying-Lan: ^I was thinking about the long distance.

Felix: I dont think so Michael..

MichaelC: Why not?

Ying-Lan: ^But the distance Education can not replace studying in university.

Felix: I need a universtiy degree...

Ying-Lan: ^It will learn more in the real world than chatting some guy on line.

MichaelC: true Ying. But if the university is too far away it is an option to do it that way.

MichaelC: Many people are doing it now.

Ying-Lan: ^I knew it... That's why I love internet.

Felix: Michael can I get a college's degree using Distant Learning ?

Ying-Lan: ^If I could choice it... I prefer to study in school.

MichaelC: Sure you can Felix. Many US colleges/universities are offering online degrees.

MichaelC: (and Australian and probably English/European...)

Ying-Lan: ^You have to live there to know it

Felix: Really??????????????????

MichaelC: Yes of course!

Felix: Can I study from Brazil in an USA University???

Ying-Lan: ^Yes... Felix .

MichaelC: I think so...

MichaelC: If you join this listserv called DEOS.....

Felix: Where is it?

MichaelC: .....just ask your question - what course you want to do - and I bet you'll get several repliess.

Ying-Lan: ^UCLA..

Felix: where can I find the DEOS listserv?

MichaelC: DEOS = distance education onlines something...let me look...hang on...

Felix: ok

Ying-Lan: But,,, you need to pay it.

MichaelC: DEOS = Distance Education Online Symposium

Looking for URL.....

Felix: to pay for what Ying?

Ying-Lan: It is not free to study on line.

Zoli: @64,64 !It's Zoli

Zoli: Hi guys!

Ying-Lan: ^Hi... Choi

Ying-Lan: no.

Ying-Lan: Are you Kay?

Felix: oh.. That's bad.. But... I think it's my only change now.. Michael / Ying do you know anyone who is doing that?

Felix: Hi Choi

Zoli: Wow, hello Felix. You're wearing a cool avatar.

Felix: Thanks

MichaelC: Go to and subscribe to DEOS-L

MichaelC: Hi Zoli.

Zoli: Okay, I'm visiting that page.

MichaelC: It is a very active and interestin listserv.

Felix: Michael, but that really gives me the same degree and in a person-to person college?

MichaelC: Yes Felix it does.

MichaelC: It's a lot of work of course but you can do it.

Felix: Generally how long does it take to finish it? The Average..

Zoli: I'm on a lot of mailing lists. I hope this one is not that active, otherwise my mailbox will be full.

MichaelC: I'm not sure - but in Australia the average degree is 3 years. But online? that is an interestin question.

Zoli: What are you talking about Michael and Felix?

Ying-Lan: Distance Education...

MichaelC: Zoli - I was talking about the DEOS listserv for distance educators.

Ying-Lan: ^Felix wants to sudy on line.

MichaelC: And Felix is interested in doing a degree online.

Ying-Lan: Me, too.

Zoli: Sounds great! What kind of degree?

Ying-Lan: ^I am interested in the certificate of Banking Tech.

MichaelC: Well i get the impression you can get almost any degree online these days.

Felix: I will see what are the choices first.. Then I will decide the course

Felix: It will depend on the prices too

Ying-Lan: ^It is hard to do..

MichaelC: just put your question to the DEOS list and see what replies you get.

Zoli: That's great, but I think a person-to-person course is better, as Felix said too.

Ying-Lan: Falix and I have to work to make money...

MichaelC: We all agree on that Zoli. But Felxi lives far away from universities.

Ying-Lan: ^I can not quit to study..

Felix: that's it Ying..

Zoli: Oh, I see.

MichaelC: That is a problem.

Ying-Lan: ^I wish I were a student again.

MichaelC: It does take a big time commitment.

Ying-Lan: ONly Dreaming...

Zoli: I heard that in Australia a lot of students learn at home.

MichaelC: Its' true Zoli. Because Australia is so big many kids can't get to a school.

Felix: But if I have any problems, I can ask some friends of mine (referring to the webheads. hehehehe)

Ying-Lan: I have heard one idea that they said the Education of Australia is the best one in the world. Is it true?

MichaelC: And many adults also choose to do distance education. And we webheads are here to help Felix. (And you are a webhead too remember!)

MichaelC: Apparently that is true Ying. We have been doing longer than most countries because we had to.

Ying-Lan: It is different... the member of webhead can not help Felix to get a job.

MichaelC: No. but maybe we can help him with his study...

Zoli: But we can talk about our experinces, right?

Ying-Lan: You are right!

MichaelC: Exactly Zoli. And you could use your experiences with webheads and the Palace as part of your study...

Felix: That's dead right Michael.

Ying-Lan: I remember that Zoli are you a engineer in eurpoe?

MichaelC: So check it out!

Zoli: Okay, I will.

MichaelC: Are you studying at the moment Zoli?

Zoli: I'm studying mechanical engineering.

MichaelC: OK.

Zoli: Yeah, I'm a uni student.

MichaelC: What do you actually want to study Felix? English language teaching?

Zoli: (Wow Ying, you have a good memory.)

Ying-Lan: OH...

Ying-Lan: Am I right?

Felix: Probably Michael..

MichaelC: I'm pretty sure that's possible. Let's hope so.

Zoli: I also want to be an English teacher, but first I want to finish my studies at the uni.

MichaelC: Zoli - are you able to get here a bit earlier each week> We usually finish about now.

Ying-Lan: Why do you want to be an English Teacher?

Zoli: Sure, MC.

Ying-Lan: Zoli,,, do you live in Canada?

MichaelC: That's good Zoli.

Zoli: In fact, I was here about 2 hours ago, but there was nobody here then.

Ying-Lan: Sorry,....

Ying-Lan: I am late tonight.

Felix: Because I think it's a good way to make money Ying.

MichaelC: We came about 1 hour ago.

Zoli: Yang, I live in Hungary.

Felix: and I love English language.

Ying-Lan: I was right...

MichaelC: What time is it in Hungary now?

Zoli: Here it's 15:40.

Felix: I've gotta go.. I need to buy cigarrettes

Felix: Here is 10:34 am

Ying-Lan: ^I can not be an English teacher in Taiwan.

Zoli: Oh, do you smoke?

MichaelC: So if you come about 14.30 you'll catch us at the start of our chat.

Felix: yes Zoli I do smoke.

Zoli: Okay, I'll be here next Sunday.

Ying-Lan: Zoli...... if Vance was here, you would probably to talk to him at that time.

Zoli: That's not good for you, Felix. :)

MichaelC: I have to go too. Also have to have a cigarette!

Felix: Michael, thanks for the info about DL...

Felix: Have to go all..

Felix: Bye

MichaelC: Nice to talk you all.

Zoli: Okay guys.

Ying-Lan: I have to take shower....

Felix: (Michael are you saving the log?|)

Zoli: I have to do nothing. :)

Felix: Need any help ying? (Just kidding)

MichaelC: See you next week. have a good shower Ying!

Ying-Lan: Take a nap.. Zoli.

Ying-Lan: Thanks...

MichaelC: Bye !

Zoli: okay, ying.

Ying-Lan: Bye.

Zoli: Bye-bye!!!

Felix: are you Michael???

MichaelC: Am i what Felix?

Felix: saving the log?

MichaelC: Yes!!!

Felix: oh ok

Felix: bye then

MichaelC: I'll send it to Vance.

MichaelC: See you all!

23:12:37 - Closing Log

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