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Chat with students Ying-Lan from Taiwan and Lola from Kuwait;
and teachers Michael C, MAD Maggi, and Vance

September 5, 1999

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Ying-Lan: @64,64 !It's Ying-Lan

Vance: There she is!

Ying-Lan: hi, Maggi, and Vance. ONly youo?

Ying-Lan: ^I am sorry being late.

Maggi: Hi Yinglan!

Vance: So far, only us. Lola was here briefly.

Maggi: aren't we enough?! :-)

Ying-Lan: HI,. BTW, your student don't contact me.

Maggi: she only arrive on Friday.

Maggi: arrived

Ying-Lan: ^She might be busy to know the new world.

Ying-Lan: ^It's o.k.

Maggi: she might have jet lag

Ying-Lan: ^sure,,, and being busy.

Maggi: yes...getting settled in.

Ying-Lan: What were you talking about?

Ying-Lan: in. lola

Maggi: Vance and I you mean?

Ying-Lan: sure

Vance: Sorry, I had to get the phone .. Hi again everyone.

Ying-Lan: ^That's o.k.

Maggi: Hi Lola...staying this time?

lola: hi maggi

Vance: I was telling Maggi I'm hoping to go to Africa for a couple of weeks.

Ying-Lan: lola, are you a student of EFI?

Maggi: This your first time here Lola?

Ying-Lan: Africa.... you meant south Africa or another country?

lola: yes it's first time

Maggi: To ride elephants and fight lions!

Vance: South Africa and Botswana. So, Lola, where are you from?

lola: i'm from kuwait

Vance: ahlan wa sahlan

Maggi: close to Vnce then!

Vance: I'm in Abu Dhabi

Maggi: ni hao Yinglan?

lola: ahlan wa sahlan fee ahl uae

Ying-Lan: What

Ying-Lan: Do you speak English? or Germany

Vance: ahlan wa sahlan means welcome in Arabic.

Maggi: ni hao ma...I can't right the tone symbols..

Vance: But this is an Engli class.

Vance: English I mean

lola: where are you from maggi

Maggi: I live in Germany but am Americn.

lola: your working in germany

Maggi: yes...teaching English...but I have lived in Europe a long time.

lola: ok

Ying-Lan: I am troubled in the noun modified by Gerund or verb+ed (the same form as past perfect tense)

lola: i'm sorry i must go

lola: by

lola: bay

Vance: bye lola

Vance: YL, can you give us an example of what you're talking about.

Ying-Lan: ^The woman (asked, asking or asks) Tom to be less noisy looked angrily at him.

Vance: asking

Ying-Lan: ^you are right. asking, but why?

Vance: It means, the woman, while asking, or who was asking ...

Ying-Lan: ^How to judge it?

Vance: You have to know what words were omitted. Insert 'who was' (the woman who was ...)

Ying-Lan: ^The first step is to find the main verb and subject.

Maggi: The woman asked Tom to be less noisy and looked at him angrily.

Maggi: easier

Ying-Lan: maggi, that's what I was thinking.

Vance: That's correct ... both correct :: the woman asked (tom)

Ying-Lan: ^But the answer is "asking".

Maggi: It is more direct.

Vance: Which woman? The woman who was asking.

Maggi: The woman asking Tom to be quiet looked at him angrily.

Ying-Lan: ^This one "We are only too glad to do it" we are glad or not?

Vance: We are very glad, only too glad!

Maggi: are glad

Maggi: very polite form

Ying-Lan: ^we are very glad to do it.

Maggi: yes.

Maggi: same thing

Ying-Lan: Do you say this way...

Maggi: the Brits use it more

Vance: I don't think I say it myself much, but it sounds normal.

Ying-Lan: ^I though that's only a quesiton in a test.

Maggi: although I guess the rest of us do too..

Maggi: this tests will drive you nuts..

Maggi: forget the rules and just go by what sounds right.

Vance: Studying for tests is not an interesting way to use a language.

Ying-Lan: ^I arrange another Grammar test in October, 6. I plan to spent every waking minutes to study English.

Maggi: oh dear...

Ying-Lan: ^I arrange another Grammar test in October, 6. I plan to spend every waking minutes to study English.

Ying-Lan: ^Including my favourite Tv... it is in English.. he.

Maggi: you shouldn't be studing it but lerning to use it.

Maggi: The grammer comes automatically.

Vance: tv is one way to study English, a good way.

Ying-Lan: ^You know I did not study hard before.

Maggi: Did you learn to speak first in Chinese or the grammar?

Ying-Lan: ^I just try to talk some guy like you in English.

Vance: I think the ways you are using, finding sounds on the internet, asking questions about them, these are good ways to learn.

Vance: Stuff you are interested in

Ying-Lan: ^I mean I have been chatting with someone who speaks English on line to improve my English.

Vance: That's another excellent way to learn.

Maggi: sure long as they don't use a lot of slang.

Ying-Lan: ^I have t really study Grammar hard when I studied in night course at University.

Ying-Lan: ^I have not really study Grammar hard when I studied in night course at University.

Maggi: grammar is no fun at all...

Maggi: So, when do you leave Vance?

MichaelC: @64,64 !It's MichaelC

Ying-Lan: ^leave for ?

Ying-Lan: hi, Michaelc

Maggi: Hi Michael

MichaelC: Hi all.

Maggi: more teachers than students today..

Ying-Lan: ^I am lucky.

MichaelC: Lazy bums those students!

Vance: It's a teachers' party!

Maggi: Vance is think of a holiday in Africa...

MichaelC: How are we all?

Maggi: thinking

Vance: Yeah, I just got permission today to got to Africa next week. Now I have to check my booking.

MichaelC: Thinking about.....

Maggi: fine...and you Michael?

Ying-Lan: ^I have heard that Vance want back to USA via Brazil in Dec.

Vance: I want to get to the USA via Brazil, true.

Ying-Lan: REally... Go to Africa, do you think it is a little dangerous.?

Maggi: I think I will stay here for Christmas...

MichaelC: I'm good Maggie. Fresh from a conference all last week on online learning. Permission to go to Africa Vance? What for?

Maggi: getting warmer down your way Michael?

Vance: Why not? Where was the conference

Vance: And why did you have to GO there; why not do it online?

MichaelC: Yes maggie. 29 degrees on Friday. So why do you need permission Vance?

Maggi: :-*

Vance: I have to take off work.

MichaelC: There was also an online conference for the same event. i did both.

Vance: Good. Were you a presenter?

Ying-Lan: online conference? for what?

MichaelC: Gotch Vance. So where in Africa?

Maggi: 29 here today too!

MichaelC: Who answers first?

Vance: South Africa and Botswana. Whoever jumps in first. 39 in Abu Dhabi.

Maggi: fastfinger Vance...:-)

MichaelC: 39 - phew. I didn't present but i shoul have.

MichaelC: I should have done a session on the Palace. People have no idea about this kind of stuff.

Vance: 39, cooling off ... Yeah, you could have presented webheads and we could have joined you.

Maggi: you'll get to 39 and wish you were somewhere cooler...

Vance: My impression from Melbourne was that Australians did a lot of online learning.

MichaelC: Yes. Palace and Webheads. Well I've learned my lesson. Next time I will present and I will ask you all to join in.

Maggi: distance .earning

Maggi: learning

MichaelC: They do Vance. But 3D with avatars is still largely unknown or at least unused.

Maggi: not always the same thing

Vance: yeah, distance learing. btw I got a paper on webheads accepted at TESOL in Vancouver in March.

MichaelC: Need a hand to present?!

Maggi: was just going to ask

Vance: This is a real paper, not just a demo as part of a larger session.

Maggi: :-)

MichaelC: This could be a serious question. i could put in an application to attend.

Vance: Yeah, of course. I've asked for a connection, so I'm hoping it will be at a good time ...

MichaelC: What's your paper on?

Vance: I'm not sure how adding a presenter on the program .. if it's possible just now, but it would be very appropriate ...

Vance: The paper is on webheads, community building especially.

MichaelC: Great. You're quick off the mark vance. How do you organise things so far in advance?

Vance: YL, we're all amazed that students and teachers would stay with the class for so long, voluntarily, enjoying every minute, no plans to leave.

Vance: Well, they set deadlines ...

Ying-Lan: ^That's why I appreciate you ...

Vance: This year you could submit online, made it easier.

Ying-Lan: ^Volunteer...

MichaelC: Which you keep track of!

Vance: And we appreciate you very much YL. It's great for performers to have audiences, and teachers are performers.

Vance: And professionals. We like to experiment, and it's great to have a class to experiment with.

Ying-Lan: ^You are kidding... I am the only benificiary.

Ying-Lan: ^Except Felix.

Vance: No way, YL. We are all beneficiaries. We do this because we all gain from it, professionally as well as humanistically.

Maggi: and the others too!

Vance: Everyone gets back what he or she puts in.

Ying-Lan: ^I got great help from you.

Maggi: and we have you :-)

MichaelC: FYI - conference URL:

Ying-Lan: ^Like Micahealc 's writing Project... I want to join it but I have no idea about those topic...

Vance: There's an online conference in Hawaii coming up. Deadlines for proposals in January. Do you guys want to go in on that one?

Maggi: You just write what you thin Ying..

Maggi: think

MichaelC: What do you mean go in? Be there physically?

Vance: YL, you could join us to present at the conference

Maggi: I've bee to that a presenter once too.

Vance: No, unfortunately, that one is entirely virtual.

Ying-Lan: I am trying to get there.

MichaelC: When is it Vance?

Maggi: can you MOO?

Vance: moooooooooo

Ying-Lan: ^I was trying to use moo,, but I can not

Maggi: This is easier here...

MichaelC: I think MOO is inferior to this.

Maggi: (she shoots Vance a glance...)

MichaelC: But I can moo too - moooooooooooo

Vance: I can probably moo from home, but we don't have telnet at work. Mooooo!

Maggi: (and another at Michael)

MichaelC: mooooooo

Ying-Lan: it is closed

Maggi: you can do it from the web

Maggi: it's easier

MichaelC: Is the Hawaii conference the annual one in April?

Maggi: chMOOze

Ying-Lan: ^VAnce, you want me to join your conference?

Maggi: only thing is schmooze means to chat in German it means to cuddle.

MichaelC: Cuddling is better than chatting.

Vance: Sure, you could. Basically you submit a paper, it's accepted, and then you agree to meet people in a chat area during the conference.

Maggi: sure is mc...

MichaelC: Makes me want to cuddle Vance the cat.

Ying-Lan: ^Paper?

Maggi: I enjoyed the conference...the cues group started there the first year.

Vance: (that was in reply to YL - sure, YL, you can join us in presenting the paper)

Ying-Lan: ^What kind of paper?

Ying-Lan: ^

Vance: We'd present some aspect of what we're doing now.

Ying-Lan: ^When ? Where? and How to do?

Maggi: I wonder about mc...

MichaelC: I think we should do this Vance.

MichaelC: Nothing wrong with cuddling male cats.

Vance: (me too; uh, I think I'll just move over here ..)

Vance: Help

MichaelC: OK - play hard to get then.

Maggi: true...exceopt that you know this one is Vance...

Maggi: Guess my cat is too fat...

MichaelC: You're not a bad cat either Maggi.

Vance: Lovely couple

Ying-Lan: hug?

Maggi: Hey...get off my head...

Maggi: you"re heavy

Maggi: unless you were trying to kiss me...?

MichaelC: Enough cuddling......

Maggi: that made him run...:-)

MichaelC: In fact you're all cats.

Vance: uh oh, now I'm stuck up here on this roof

Ying-Lan: ^lovely cats

MichaelC: Call the fire brigade!

Maggi: don't you have a ct too mc?

MichaelC: moooo!

Maggi: jump Vance or crawl down backwards..

Maggi: :-)

Maggi: I have them on my other computer...

Maggi: still stuck on the laptop.

Ying-Lan: MC, you should grab the rest

MichaelC: Lucky I have my name tag on or I'd be very confused.

Ying-Lan: ^Micalec, you are blind.

MichaelC: I know.

Ying-Lan: without eyes

MichaelC: Ouch.

MichaelC: ouch

Vance: Hey, I got a blind one too

Ying-Lan: ^Watch!

Maggi: :-) How come mine are open?

Ying-Lan: ^I don't know...

Vance: I'll trade you, Maggi

MichaelC: I'm not blind. Just cool.

Maggi: Men...silly things...

Ying-Lan: Wa

Maggi: No

Maggi: there Vance

MichaelC: woof

Ying-Lan: ^There is a dog!

Maggi: God I hate wet sloopy tongues..

MichaelC: This dog likes cats.

Ying-Lan: No more cats.

MichaelC: Yikes!

Ying-Lan: I am pink..

Maggi: now you got a taste of my tongue...:-)

MichaelC: Sorry sir!

Maggi: no problem...I am a good drqgon

MichaelC: Is there anything I can do for you Sir Dragon?

Maggi: Well....

MichaelC: mmmm?

Maggi: :-)

Maggi: you are in a good mood today eh, mc?

MichaelC: You can tell?

Maggi: you never let me lick you before...:-)

MichaelC: lol

Maggi: ROTFL

MichaelC: This will make interesting reading in the log file!

Maggi: SURE WILL..

Ying-Lan: ^Michaelc.. is it your topic "TOPIC 5 - Flexible learning and learning style "

Vance: Somehow, this is not the rich language learning experience we have come to expect.

Maggi: oh?

MichaelC: Quite correct Vance. back to serious things.

MichaelC: Are you reading from the conference web page YL?

Ying-Lan: ^Yes, I did,, just took a look at..

Vance: Actually, I've got to run. It looks like due to my sudden shift in fortune I have to visit my travel agent.

Maggi: last time mc was the serious detective and you got to be a crazy patient.

Ying-Lan: o.k. bye . Vance.

Maggi: you won the lottery Vance?

Ying-Lan: Keep your purse closed.

MichaelC: OK Vance you poor bugger. Go organise your trip then.

Vance: Guess I won't see you guys for a couple of weeks. I won't be back till the 26th, class on the 27th.

Maggi: the rest of us will carry on...oh...last minute booking then...

Vance: So if you guys can hold the fort, keep track of the logs ...

MichaelC: Really? Have a wonderful time Vance. Send us a postcard.

Vance: Yeah, I've had the booking, just today got the go ahead to leave.

Maggi: your turn MC

MichaelC: Re the logs maggie?

Maggi: be careful Vance...

Vance: When I get back we can work on our presentation for the Hawaii conference.

Maggi: yes Michael

MichaelC: Deal Vance.

Ying-Lan: Vance, Have a good trip.

Vance: Thanks. I leave on Friday, early a.m. This is assuming the booking is still there. Maybe I'll just call over there right now ...

MichaelC: YL - I attended many sessions at the conference. the one you mentioned and others. But I was not presenting.

Ying-Lan: ^What were you doing here?

MichaelC: Just listening and learning.

Ying-Lan: oh?

Ying-Lan: ^What do you learn from it?

Maggi: I presented for the cues groups

MichaelC: Two and a half of the 3 days were great. What did I learn? Good question! I am workiing on wrting a paper about that at the moment. I'll put it on my website when it;s finsihed.

Maggi: teachers have to always learn too.

Ying-Lan: yes,,,we

MichaelC: One interesting point - people are emphasing the human side of the Internet a lot more now. Interaction. Like we do with webheads.

Vance: Exactly, there's a lot of interest in the community aspect. It's hard to achieve, but when you get it, it's great.

MichaelC: In fact webheads is a fantastic example of best practice when it comes to educational models of Internet delivery.

Ying-Lan: Ineteractive interests studeents.

Vance: Yes, I think so. So what we need to do is figure out what we did right so we can tell others about it, help them to do it.

MichaelC: Exactly Ying.

Maggi: takes time...

MichaelC: But that;s what a lot of Net teachers are only starting to realise that now.

Maggi: and I think it not easy for some teachers

Vance: Yeah, TRULY interactive, with real live teachers.

MichaelC: Yes - an incredible amount of time.

MichaelC: That was also an often made statement at this conference. The time is out of all proportion to the pay. Few are getting paid for the number of hours they are putting into it.

Ying-Lan: ^There are another post list like webheads online.

MichaelC: Where Ying?

Ying-Lan: ^But not like us... for learning English.

MichaelC: Oh ..Ok.

Ying-Lan: ^those post list to discuss something what people like to share with others.

MichaelC: Another nice quote from the conference: " Don't teach people about computers; teach them about the world."

MichaelC: If they want to learn about the world then sonner or later they will have to turn to the internet.

Ying-Lan: ^I forgot,,, Vera are tryint to do in her class.

Vance: How about, "Don't teach people. Listen to what they have to say. Help them say it."

MichaelC: And yes that too. And again the Internet is a great medium for that approach.

Ying-Lan: ^You know.. I have to read a lot of materials before I speak out another language.

MichaelC: I'm sure you do Ying.

MichaelC: What you know in Enlish has taken you years right?

Ying-Lan: ^it is not so easy to express yourself well in another languge.

MichaelC: Whcih reminds me - it's time we traded a few more vocie emails Ying.

Ying-Lan: Has taken...

MichaelC: Voice emails.

Maggi: No, it isn't Ying...

Ying-Lan: Voice mail.

Ying-Lan: What is the truth, maggi?

Vance: Guys, this is great. Can someone grab the rest of the log from here and email it to me?

MichaelC: Can do Vance.

Vance: Thanks. I'll see you anon ...

MichaelC: Better than moooooo now isn't it!

Maggi: Bye

Ying-Lan: bye

MichaelC: Bon voyage vance.

Maggi: expressing yurself in another language ying

Vance: (last log snatch)

MichaelC: Has Maggie's colleague been to Taiwan yet?

Ying-Lan: ^She is here...

Ying-Lan: ^She might arrived here on last Friday.

MichaelC: What is good meeting her?

Ying-Lan: ^NOt yet.

MichaelC: Sorry...was it good....

Ying-Lan: ^I don't know her real address in Taiwan...

MichaelC: So you haven't met her yet?

Ying-Lan: ^I only know her from Maggi...

Maggi: shee has Ying's address and phone number.

MichaelC: I see.

MichaelC: I met a few more online colleagues last week. It's always a blast./

Ying-Lan: ^i guess she is busy to settle down....

Ying-Lan: blast

MichaelC: To meet face to face tI mean.

MichaelC: Blast = lot of fun. exciting.

Ying-Lan: ^I think it is strange to meet each other in real world... right?

Maggi: no doubt she has jet lag and had to meet all the people in the company.

Ying-Lan: ^Maggi, I understood that totally...

MichaelC: Like when Maggi and I met on the streets of SF. Yes it is strange but also wonderful. have you never done that Ying?

Maggi: No...sometimes it can be very exciting Ying.

Ying-Lan: ^No... I am a bored man..

Ying-Lan: ^In fact, I never dated with another boyfriend .

MichaelC: man?

Ying-Lan: ^I am a bored person.

Vance: she had us fooled!

MichaelC: YL is actually an man!

Ying-Lan: Vance, you are still here?

Ying-Lan: man....

Ying-Lan: ^I wish I were a man..

Maggi: LoL :-)

MichaelC: Really? Why?

Maggi: why?

Maggi: not me...

Ying-Lan: ^I could date young girl.

MichaelC: I often wished I was a woman in the past!

Maggi: I did when I was a young girl...

Maggi: I was a man in a past life...

MichaelC: This sounds like a good topic for another time. I have to go.....

Ying-Lan: REally... Women is weaker than men... physically.

Maggi: why Michael?

Ying-Lan: It is time to go to bed.

Maggi: party pooper...:-)

MichaelC: It is a long story Maggie....

MichaelC: .....basically....

Vance: you're tired?

MichaelC: I was not very good at 'catching women'.

Ying-Lan: A little

MichaelC: I didn

Vance: You were a late bloomer, MC, judging from your present catch (photo on boat)

Ying-Lan: ^I am always bad at catching man... :-)

MichaelC: I didn't want to play the dating game and it seemed to me that gutys had to make the moves.

MichaelC: What do i say to that vance?

Maggi: could be you were misinformed.

Maggi: :-)

MichaelC: Actually Vance - i think you're right.

Maggi: Men don't like it much either when a woman makes the move.

MichaelC: This man does.

Maggi: hmmm...

Vance: So do I. That's two.

MichaelC: That's what I always wanted to happen!

Maggi: hmmmm

MichaelC: So there were many years alone. (sob sob)

Maggi: I've been wasting my time with the wrong ones then...

Vance: The men in Taiwan don't know what they are missing. They must be nuts.

Maggi: boogers...and you guys are married...:-)

MichaelC: I agree with Vance!

Ying-Lan: nuts..

Vance: nuts = crazy

Ying-Lan: I don't know..

Ying-Lan: No comment.

MichaelC: OK - I'm really going now. Can you do the rest of the log maggie. I'll mail my part to Vance.

Ying-Lan: me, too.

Ying-Lan: I have to go now...

MichaelC: Night all.

Vance: You don't have to. I"m still here.

Vance: I've got all the logs

MichaelC: Oh yeah! So you can do it!

Vance: But thanks

MichaelC: Cya.

Vance: I was turning off computers.

Maggi: ok...then we all go at the same time then!

Vance: Bye everyone, I'm gone too. See you in a couple of weeks MC.

Maggi: bye

MichaelC: OK Vance. Bye....

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