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*** Welcome to Virtual School House Vance!
Vance: @64,64 !It's Vance
Gosia: I have chossen and now I cannot change my way of thinking
Maggi: love yourself...think good thoughts about yourself
Vance: Hi. Everyone's here.
Gosia: it is funny because i n my case it is difficult
Vance: What have you chosen, Gosia?
Gosia: Hi Vance
Gosia: Nice to see you and hear you again
Vance: Hi, I came in in the middle of a conversation.
Maggi: Oh dear I am in the middle of my son trying to drive me up the wall because he needs my computer to get what he needs to make his work!!
Gosia: what is he making
Vance: His homework? (but it's summer)
Maggi: he is trying to get a new computer to work...
Maggi: ...he doesnīt know how to install the software
Vance: Oh, so he needs a file or something from your computer? Do you have to disconnect?
Maggi: from the beginning ... with an empty computer
Gosia: I don't have such problems my brother is not able to use my computer
Vance: You have a pet brother.
Maggi: No...I AM JUST TRYING TO STAY COOL::::-)
Gosia: I know :)))))))))))
Maggi: He knows I go online now to teach...
Vance: Well, would it help if you shut down for 5 minutes and then came back?
Vance: We can hold the fort
Ying-Lan: @64,64 !It's Ying-Lan
Gosia: Woo - what that - Hi
Vance: We're getting a full house. Hi YL!
Maggi: Hi Aing--
Ying-Lan: Vance, you like to be a cat these days!
Ying-Lan: My name is ying.
Maggi: Sheesh...now I canīt spell
Ying-Lan: hi, Gosia
Ying-Lan: Long time no see. Are you right?
Maggi: I think he should do the dishes and clean and take a break.
Ying-Lan: ^Is it a show party?
Gosia: now - why
Vance: Who should take a break? Clean dishes etc.??
Ying-Lan: ^Be careful, Gosia. A cat like to eat a bird..
Maggi: my soin
Ying-Lan: ^Be careful, Gosia. A cat likes to eat a bird..
Gosia: Oh I will remember !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vance: cats like to eat mice too
Vance: Let me see, mouse or bird ???
Gosia: and what about dogs
Maggi: the deal was thqat I paid for the parts and he is my houseman until the millenium
Ying-Lan: In cartoon, Do you remember it?
Vance: Oops, is there a dog in here? YIKES!
Gosia: I know
Gosia: Yea It is show
Ying-Lan: I forgot,, I am a dog,, now!
Maggi: yes...my son will pay off his debt by cleaning and cooking for me.
Ying-Lan: HOW MUCH MONEY does he need to return to you?
Maggi: a lot!
Ying-Lan: A lot?
Gosia: @64,64 !It's Gosia
Maggi: over DM 4,00
Maggi: beCAUSE I paid in advance
Ying-Lan: ^But he just need to be a houseman to debit it.
Ying-Lan: ^Why did he buy ? DM4,000?
Ying-Lan: A lot of money...
Maggi: a Pentium III...450...10.8 G
Ying-Lan: for computer...
Vance: Oh, I get it. You said you were getting a houseman!
Vance: So you bought him a computer in return for slave labor?
Ying-Lan: ^I think it is a good way to let a child know how to cheirsh money, right?
Maggi: yes...to earn it
Ying-Lan: to earn it...
Ying-Lan: ^only by doing housework?
Maggi: in and outside
Gosia: How old your son is
Maggi: he has to learn what it means to run a household...
Maggi: ...especially when I am the one who works and pays for everything
Maggi: He is 16 and a half Gosia
Ying-Lan: He is old enought to do housework... ,,,
Ying-Lan: ^Can't break the dishes!
Maggi: he haqs done it for qa long time
Maggi: he has done it for a long time
Ying-Lan: done what?
Maggi: He is a good cook and an excellent baker
Maggi: some woman will get a good deal with him
Ying-Lan: Maggi, Be careful.. Don't be fat!
Gosia: Whoo so perhaps he can give me some lessons
Maggi: Sure...he likes older women!
Ying-Lan: He likes you, maggi
Maggi: I am his mother...he has to like me! :-)#
Ying-Lan: NOt really!
Maggi: just joking
Gosia: Woo are you sure ? :-))))))))))))
Ying-Lan: Some boys don't like to live with their parents.
Maggi: He comes and gives me a hug without asking
Maggi: when you put your arms around someone
Maggi: now he has to bend over!
Ying-Lan: I know the word hug
Maggi: He is a lot taller than me...
Gosia: I will be in10 min - I have to help my mother with my brother
Maggi: a yxounger brother I think..-.
Vance: How is your mom now, Gosia?
Maggi: Ying...my student will probably have to stay 6 monthes in Taiwan.
Maggi: She has to go to a subsidiary not so far from you.
Maggi: I read a man by the name of David Chan says the best thing Taiwan can do is become the 51st state of America...
Ying-Lan: ^Maggi, this guy is crazy!
Maggi: Vance is all alone at home and now he is online with 3 women:-)
Ying-Lan: Do you think it could be a good way to be the 51 states of USA?
Vance: Wrong. I'm all alone at work.
Maggi: Maybe it solves some problems but I think it creates others.
Maggi: Beiging wonīt like it!
Ying-Lan: ^American does not need Taiwan to be the 51 state of USA.
Vance: Why would Taiwan want to be a state. They don't wont to be a state of China. Even Puerto Rico doesn't want to be a state.
Maggi: Hey...Germans think there are 52 states already.
Ying-Lan: ^Vance, We don't want to be it.
Maggi: meaning you are not alone at home Vance?
Ying-Lan: ^But there are some crazy ideas ...
Vance: I don't blame you. What are the other two states? Israel perhaps?
Vance: Except for the cat, I'm home alone (as soon as I get back there).
Ying-Lan: ^This guy is too crazy... I mean David Chan.
Ying-Lan: ^maggi, you said "She has to go to a subsidiary not so far from you." Really?
Maggi: Not sure...have never been able to pin them down...but I think the territories of Guam asnd Puerto Rico.
Maggi: Yes...we looked at a map.
Ying-Lan: ^Where will she stay?
Maggi: She is studying the culture of Taiwan and itīs history before she goes Ying.
Ying-Lan: ^It is interesting!
Ying-Lan: ^I never study it.
Ying-Lan: ^I live with it.
Maggi: yes...it is...:-)
Ying-Lan: ^Give her my phone number
Maggi: Send me your address and phone number by email and I will give it to her.
Ying-Lan: ^O.k. I will do it.
Ying-Lan: Vance, why are you so silent today?
Maggi: She is very nice...you will like her.
Vance: I found this sun beam here and I was just sleeping in it.
Maggi: too many women chatteriung!
Vance: It's nice when the women are talking to just let them carry on. I can be a cat in the corner.
Maggi: see...he likes basking in the warm rays of women!!#
Vance: Now Maggi, you're giving away my secrets.
Vance: Don't you like being around guys?
Maggi: I bask first in my own rays...then ask the guys to come and get warm.
Vance: Here's another idea for a survey: our your closest friends male or female?
Vance: are your etc.
Vance: You do seem to radiate a lot of warmth, doesn't she, YL?
Ying-Lan: ^What do you mean " our your closest friends male or female?"?
Vance: The people you find it easiest to talk to
Ying-Lan: ^I am sorry, I just checked my dictionary.
Ying-Lan: ^maggi, she does radiate.
Maggi: thank you!
Vance: What word was giving you problems ... ah, radiate. Like the sun. The sun radiates heat. A cars radiator radiates heat.
Ying-Lan: ^radiate.. good word to describe a lady.
Maggi: beam beam, :-)
Ying-Lan: ^"She rediates joy!"
Maggi: well that was a typical male comparison
Maggi: se4e...Ying is more creative :-)
Ying-Lan: ^Not really! I just copied the sentence from my dictionary.
Maggi: but you believe it :-)
Vance: Do you mean the car radiator :-)
Maggi: sheesh...compare a lady with a car part...
Ying-Lan: ^What kind of the idea..
Ying-Lan: A car and a woman?
Vance: How about, the monitor radiates electrons ... better :-)
Maggi: now there is a good question...do men compare women to their cars...?
Vance: WHat do women compare men to?
Maggi: I like radiating joy better...a car canīt do that.
Ying-Lan: ^Vance, I don't know it.
Maggi: a vibrator ...ROTFL
Ying-Lan: ^I don't remember I discussed it with my friend.
Vance: I have a 4 wheel drive ... I like a rough ride.
Maggi: STILL ROTFL
Ying-Lan: ^Mentioned the car... I just spent a lot of money to fix my car.
Vance: Discussed what YL?
Maggi: What kind of car do you have Ying...?
Ying-Lan: ^To discuss "WHat do women compare men to/"
Ying-Lan: ^maggi, it is a small car.
Vance: Do you mean you can't think what you compare men to, YL?
Ying-Lan: ^Parts from Japan but be made in Taiwan.
Maggi: what type?
Ying-Lan: ^Have you heard "SUBURA"?
Maggi: I take each man as he comes...no comparisons
Maggi: yes, I have Ying
Ying-Lan: ^Yes, it is.
Vance: I used to own a Subaru. 4wd on the Big Island of Hawaii. It was a nice car.
Ying-Lan: ^I bought it in 1991...
Maggi: my car is almost 14 yrs old.
Ying-Lan: ^It is time to fix it... over 7 years.
Vance: Guys, while you've been knocking men, I've been multitasking. Check out http://members.tripod.com/vstevens/efi/Quiz.html
Ying-Lan: What's it?
Maggi: one day it will die...my car I mean.
Ying-Lan: ^But It is a good news for me.
Maggi: we have not knocked men
Ying-Lan: ^I hope to use it another 7 years in the future.
Maggi: you compared us to cars though :-)
Ying-Lan: ^but vance,
Vance: I know, there's no right answer?
Ying-Lan: ^David chan
Vance: I'm looking at that now.
Maggi: good one Yying!
Ying-Lan: ^Maggi, do you think it is a good idea?
Vance: Oh, but you are correct YL.
Maggi: which one Ying?
Ying-Lan: ^Taiwan shoud be a state of USA.
Ying-Lan: ^I have heard it several years ago.
Ying-Lan: ^It is impossible!
Maggi: would you like to be American Ying?
Ying-Lan: ^Just someone imagines.
Ying-Lan: ^I like to be a Taiwanese.
Maggi: I thought so.
Ying-Lan: ^But I hate we have always firghten with China mainland.
Maggi: you mean you always have this fear of what mainland China will do...?
Ying-Lan: ^You know, when I saw The western Germany and Eastern Germany to be one country, I was thinking when we would make it.
Maggi: a little different I think...but many similarities.
Ying-Lan: ^I don't want to be a part of China now... I hate their system.
Michael C: @64,64 !It's Michael C
Michael C: Hello all!
Michael C: How is everyone?
Maggi: Hi mc
Vance: Hi MC
Maggi: That is the differenc3e
Vance: Guys, I fixed the problem. Check out http://members.tripod.com/vstevens/efi/quiz2.html
Maggi: The East Germans will never go back to communism now.
Maggi: it is interesting what is happening.
Michael C: I got the answer right!
Ying-Lan: It is evil.
Maggi: yes...in many ways
Ying-Lan: hi, Michael
Ying-Lan: ^Vance, he has a new idea about efi chat class.
Michael C: Vance has a new idea?
Maggi: but the east Germans donīt like the regulations the west Germans have.
Vance: Hi Michael. Try the quiz at http://members.tripod.com/vstevens/efi/quiz2.html See if you can get the answer without having heard our conversation.
Michael C: I just did maggi. And I got it right!
Maggi: because it is like communism...so many regulations
Vance: Good Michael. You must know Maggi well.
Maggi: hey...was there a question about me?
Vance: Yes, MC and YL both got it right.
Michael C: I know a lot of women think that. It's not true about me though....
Ying-Lan: ^" because it is like communism...so many regulations".. but west Germany is a democracy system.
Michael C: What about you vance?
Vance: I wouldn't have thought it was true about me but Maggi caught me in a slip.
Maggi: I am good at that :-)
Maggi: what are we talking about here?
Michael C: Communism and cars.
Vance: I was actually illustrating the word radiate, and found an example about a car's radiator, so it wasn't actually a comparison, but it was fun to pursue the idea for a while.
Maggi: yes...West Germany is a social democracy and so many regulations.
Ying-Lan: @64,64 !It's Ying-Lan
Maggi: are we back to comparing women to cars?
Michael C: No I think we shoul stick to democarcy/communism.
Maggi: letīs compare men to vibrators...:-)
Michael C: Now if Feliz were here......
Ying-Lan: ^I have heard another say... a wife likes a man's garage but a lover likes a man's park in street... do you understand the sentence.
Maggi: Felix lost his job...
Maggi: I understand Ying :-)
Ying-Lan: Felix lost his job? really?
Ying-Lan: ^Felix lost his job?
Ying-Lan: ^Does he find new one?
Maggi: I hope so,.
Maggi: He has 3 children
Vance: It doesn't sound like it's very easy to find work where he lives.
Maggi: high unemployment
Michael C: Is he upset about it?
Maggi: and how
Ying-Lan: ^But he is a manager..
Ying-Lan: ^But he was a manager..
Maggi: he asked me to help him get to the States
Vance: He sees people going there. He is thinking about starting a new life.
Maggi: he wants to open a language school
Ying-Lan: ^It is not easy to find a job in USA for a foreigner.
Maggi: no it isnīt Ying...
Michael C: Do you think he'd find a job in the states?
Vance: Definitely not easy to open a language school.
Maggi: he thinks then that the best is to go to school in the US.
Maggi: and work
Maggi: yes...he probably could mc
Ying-Lan: ^He have to learn more money..
Ying-Lan: ^to raise up his children.
Michael C: Can he get a work permit?
Maggi: I am asking my brother if he could sponsor him.
Ying-Lan: ^It must be a good idea to open a language school in his home town.
Maggi: with a sponsor and a job the work permit is easier
Ying-Lan: ^In Taiwan, someone could be the rich,,.. if he could speak good English to open a language school.
Vance: That's really nice Maggi. My family tried to help an African guy I met once. We got him to the states but he couldn't last.
Maggi: Felix is determined.
Vance: Can someone get a work permit in Taiwan?
Maggi: I just think it will be really hard on his wife with 3 kids...alone.
Ying-Lan: ^It is hard to get the permit.
Maggi: what do you ned
Maggi: need Ying?
Ying-Lan: ^I don't know.. but I met some teachers, they came here by visitor's visa.
Maggi: So, I would need a visa?
Vance: But the teachers didn't start language schools, did they? They just worked in them ... ??
Ying-Lan: ^There is a famous languge school.. the owner is a American lady.
Ying-Lan: ^There is a famous languge school.. the owner is an American lady.
Ying-Lan: ^But she married a Taiwaness.
Maggi: she married a she?
Maggi: taiwanese I think you mean
Ying-Lan: ^She married a boy
Maggi: a man I hope!
Ying-Lan: ^a man
Ying-Lan: ^But if a foreigner married a Taiwan girl, he probably can not get the permit to work here.
Maggi: hey..guys...cat got your tongue or what?
Maggi: so...I would have to find a man Ying?
Michael C: Not now - is that true Ying? That's crazy.
Ying-Lan: ^It is true.. I read it from Newspaper.
Michael C: But a woman marrying a Taiwanese man would get a permit?
Maggi: that is not fair
Michael C: Where's the logic in that?
Maggi: think about it mc
Ying-Lan: ^My goverment does like girls married foreigners.
Maggi: the culture is male oriented
Ying-Lan: ^My goverment does not like girls married foreigners.
Maggi: but it ok for the men to Yying?
Michael C: I am......they don't Taiwanese men losing their jobs to foreigners?
Ying-Lan: ^but it is fine.. if they don't want to stay here.
Ying-Lan: May be.
Maggi: double standard
Michael C: Very definitely. That would be illegal here. And probably in the US and Germany.
Maggi: you only need German blood anywhere in your family to come here.
Maggi: What really gets me is men who have money go to Thailand and buy a young bride.
Michael C: Or the Philippines. May Australians do this. I teach some of those brides.
Maggi: And I know some prettxy sad cases here in Europe.
Ying-Lan: ^OH,, you cound find these advertisement in Taiwan.. "Go to Vietanm to find your bride"
Maggi: I think it is disgusting...
Ying-Lan: ^That's why I can not find my ... ;-)
Michael C: So Vietnamese women go to live in Taiwan?
Vance: Much worse in this part of the world. Women have almost no rights regarding marriage here, choice of that is.
Maggi: man...didnīt such slave trade stop?
Michael C: I know we've talked about this before Vance but I would find that very hard to tolerate over there.
Ying-Lan: ^There are some tragedies happened.
Maggi: Well...Ying...you donīt want a man like that.
Vance: It happens whether you tolerate it or not.
Ying-Lan: ^Sure... I was kidding.
Michael C: I guess you have to turn a blind eye....
Vance: Most people here pretty much accept it. I've seen interviews on Saudi TV where women defend the system, insist that it protects them.
Michael C: Protecys then from.......men......who control them.
Michael C: Protects that is.
Maggi: I had a 13 yr old once online...she felt the men were going to protect her.
Maggi: fromn Egypt
Michael C: Which men> Online men?
Vance: Exactly. It's crowd mentality. People in a crowd have to go with the prevailing view or in their society face some pretty harsh consequences.
Maggi: no the men in her society.
Vance: In societies where women are withheld from men, the women need protecting.
Maggi: the US is not much better sometimes at protecting.
Maggi: Vance has a point
Vance: They see that in the western media and they feel that in their society they are safe and protected.
Michael C: Mmm....it's hard to know these things unless you're in the place. True I suppose Vance. But all I know is Egyptian men drove me crazy.
Michael C: They all wanted to marry my wife.
Vance: In societies where women are withheld from men, that's another problem Michael (oh, I thought you meant they drove YOU crazy).
Ying-Lan: ^Michael .. your wife must be pretty!
Michael C: They weren't at all interested in me. (She was blonmde though.)
Maggi: Because they have no control over their biology and you have been trained Michael.
Michael C: She was Ying. And they drove both of us crazy.
Ying-Lan: She was///
Vance: I traveled in those countries at a time when my wife was 28 and we were fighting people off all the time (she wasn't my wife back then).
Ying-Lan: ^She was?
Michael C: I have been trained!? So I'm house trained?
Vance: well spotted, YL
Michael C: Ying - she was my wife. we are now divorced and I have remarried.
Ying-Lan: I am sorry.
Maggi: no...constrained is probably a better term.
Michael C: Don't be sorry Ying. We're all friends now and all the heartaches are in the past. We weren't a very good match anyway! (Doea this sound stange to you?)
Maggi: it means only that you wonīt just react to your bilogy like an ape.
Michael C: Thank you Maggie. I''l thinknof that when I need a lift.
Ying-Lan: ^Vance, what do you mean "well spotted"?
Ying-Lan: ^Michael... it is acceptable.
Michael C: OK Ying.
Vance: I mean that you spotted the past tense in MC's conversation. British people say "Well spotted (hey, what)"
Ying-Lan: ^Do you feel hurt again when you talk to her (your former wife)?
Maggi: hey what...look here...:-)
Michael C: No not at all. Sometimes I feel a little sad but nort hurt.
Maggi: then you are still friends or in conatact mc...?
Michael C: Yes we are.
Ying-Lan: ^That's good.
Maggi: how does your present wife handle that?
Ying-Lan: ^You are happy with your wife now, aren't you?
Michael C: We have a child together so we have to make it work and we have. My present wife is fine about it. That's what meant when I said 'we are all friends now"
Maggi: Vance is basking again in the rays of sunshine....-)
Ying-Lan: got it
Michael C: Yes Ying I am happy now! (I was happy then but she wasn't!)
Maggi: hard call mc
Michael C: Someone should spook Vance with a dog. Well Maggie you know how it is. What you gain on the hobbyhorses you lose on the swings (as Van Morrison would say)
Maggi: it just got really humid hot here...igit!
Maggi: :-) good one mc!
Vance: I'm enjoying the conversation and preparing some documents here at work.
Michael C: Clever cat.
Maggi: I have to do some certificates...
Michael C: for?
Maggi: two of my students took Level III from the LCCI exam and passed.
Michael C: LCCI?
Vance: WHat happened with Stephan, Maggi? Did he decide to watch tv or do the dishes? Did he fix his computer problem.
Maggi: London Chamber of commerece
Maggi: He is doing all those things Vance...:.-)
Ying-Lan: ^hi, denis
Maggi: Hi Denis
Ying-Lan: Maggi, what is it?
Maggi: A British test fopr business...a passport to a job.
Ying-Lan: ^London chamber of commerce... like a commercial test.
Vance: Hi Denis
Ying-Lan: ^what's kind of the subject they took?
Denis: Hi , I am here to learn English, is that the wrong place ?
Maggi: Yeah...and I am not British but everyone passes! :-)
Ying-Lan: yes. it is.
Ying-Lan: ^Vance, maggi and Michael are teachers here.
Ying-Lan: ^it is a chatting class. just speak anything you like.
Vance: This is the right place.
Ying-Lan: ^Where are you from, Denis?
Vance: We're the webheads, http://members.tripod.com/vstevens/efi/webheads.htm
Vance: From France?
Denis: I am from Quebec, Canada
Ying-Lan: ^You speak Franch?
Michael C: Yes Denis - welcome.
Maggi: hi...I am the crazy teacher.
Michael C: ...and the lazy teacher....
Denis: It is a pleasure, Yes I am a French speaking person
Michael C: Look at you!
Michael C: (maggie I mean)
Ying-Lan: ^You are a Canadian?
Maggi: I got that from you mc"
Michael C: lol
Denis: Yes I am
Michael C: brb
Denis: And you are from?
Ying-Lan: I am from Taiwan...
Maggi: it is too hot here to do much else...:-)
Vance: I'm an American living in Abu Dhabi
Denis: What time is it at Taiwan
Maggi: I live in Germany and Michael is in Aaustralia.
Ying-Lan: ^It is PM 09:24 ..
Maggi: Here it is afternoon...3.28pm
Denis: Here near Montreal it is 09:29 am
Maggi: good morning then!
Ying-Lan: ^It is very easy to learn speaking English in Canada...isn't it?
Maggi: You are up early for a Sunday...too hot to sleep?
Denis: Most part of Canada is English, but in quebec which is a province of Canada, majority of people talk french
Maggi: Ying is exactly 12 hrs ahead of you Denis.
Ying-Lan: ^I have met one from Quebec.. she teachs French in Vancouver.
Ying-Lan: ^I did not know that English is her second languge until she told me.
Ying-Lan: ^I mean she could speak good English.
Denis: I have never gone at Vancouvert, it is five hours from here by plane
Ying-Lan: ^it is.
Vance: I have been to Montreal and a couple of times to Vancouver. I drove from Calgary to Vancouver once. A long way.
Denis: And you Vance where are you from?
Michael C: I'm back.....but I have to go. Come back next week Denis. Bye everyone.
Ying-Lan: by michael
Maggi: I drove 10,000 k to Alaska
Denis: Bye Michael
Vance: I'm was born in Texas but have lived in Hawaii and California in the states.
Vance: bye MC
Maggi: I didnīt get a chance to say goodbye :-(
Denis: Oh so for you no problem speaking english
Ying-Lan: ^I have problem to speak English.
Ying-Lan: ^I have a problem to speak English.
Maggi: no you donīt...you are just too quiet Ying. :-)
Vance: YL has improved a lot since she started coming to these classes.
Denis: Well Ying-Lan you seem good
Ying-Lan: ^I am finding a good way to learn.... still be finding.
Maggi: Why do you want to improve your English Denis?
Ying-Lan: Thanks vance.
* Maggi * see...warm fussies or?
Denis: Because in my work I must often talk in english with other plan , I am working for a company whish is establish in 66 countries
Maggi: then it is important to learn International English.
Denis: plant with T
Ying-Lan: ^A big company?
Denis: Yes it is, it is a cement company
Maggi: yes...or it could be called a site...
Ying-Lan: ^But Denis.. did you speak English when you studies at University or college?
Maggi: what do you do in the company?
Maggi: when you studied...it is finished Ying...
Ying-Lan: I am sorry.
Maggi: donīt be sorry
Denis: Well here in Quebec if we want we can speak and live only in French, but I have followed a lot of English course at college and in university, but I would like to be more confident
Maggi: this is how you learn
Maggi: confidence will get you further than actual skills.
Vance: Guys, I've got to leave. Would you like to send on the rest of the logs, Maggi?
Ying-Lan: ^I have to go now.. My mother is angry at me.
Vance: OK. Denis, nice meeting you.
Maggi: enjoy the beer on the balcony
Denis: By Vance
Maggi: why is she angry?
Vance: No one to drink it with tonight. Bye all
Denis: By Yl
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